Pope: Creation vs. evolution clash an ‘absurdity’

[Beth O]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 11:55 a.m. PT July 25, 2007

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI said the debate raging in some countries — particularly the United States and his native Germany — between creationism and evolution was an “absurdity,” saying that evolution can coexist with faith.



Benedict XVI also says humans must listen to ‘the voice of the Earth’ :twitch

Our Earth is talking to us
World religions have shown a growing interest in the environment, particularly the ramifications of climate change.

[NovaStorm]

Benedict XVI also says humans must listen to ‘the voice of the Earth’ :twitchMaybe he is waiting to hear the rocks cry out... something?
Probably not, though... :ostrich <--- I guess the only way to "listen" to the voice of the earth.


As for the main point of the post, and his comment on evolution, I won’t go as far as saying that it “can’t” co-exist with faith but it sure is a problem (conflicts), meaning that just because someone believes in evolution and Christianity, does not mean that they are not a Christian... just a confused one ;) . I’m taking it he was referring to “Christian” faith, however; since evolution takes a whole lot more “faith” to believe in the theory of evolution than it does to believe that Jesus the God-Man died for the sins of the world and has risen again and that before that he spent six literal days creating the Earth then rested that literal seventh day. There are just… problems with the whole evolution “theory” and it tends to cascade with problems trying to integrate it into yet another religious or spiritual system. Evolution is in itself much like a religion as it is.



The pontiff, speaking as he was concluding his holiday in northern Italy, also said that while there is much scientific proof to support evolution, the theory could not exclude a role by God. lol proof? I should write to him for his "proof" about the "theory" of evolution (not a law, no proof). He either 1. never studied evolution, really, or 2. is lobbying to get his scientific books sold and grants for his scientific works or a nice position at a university where it's pretty much a requirement to believe in evolution (in the US). Since he has a job already, I suppose it's not #2.

[tom_roberts]

wonder did he get his understanding of scripture from the same bible i read

he is a liar:ohno

[Berean Girl]

The answer is clear and God has spoken it:

Genesis contains the whole story.... any more or any less is taking away from the scriptures and adding man's philosophies. That is a no-no for a Biblical Christian. God's Word is the infallible authority on all physical and spiritual matters.

Why must people continue to have tickling ears????????

Lord help us.

:scripture

[Paul M]

This pope grows more insidious by the day.

Genesis 1:11 " And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass,the herb yeilding seed, and the fruit tree yeilding fruit AFTER HIS KIND, WHOSE SEED IS IN ITSELF,upon the earth; and it was so.

Genesis 1: 20: " And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth...

God made the animals as they appear today. There is no talk of making one thing that morphed into another thing. Obviously God created Adam and Eve as adults.

People want evolution because it absolves them from any kind of morality. If you believe you are an animal you will act like one. If you came from slime you naturally will behave accordingly. This pope is going to be responsible for sending millions to hell.

[NovaStorm]

People want evolution because it absolves them from any kind of morality. If you believe you are an animal you will act like one. If you came from slime you naturally will behave accordingly. This pope is going to be responsible for sending millions to hell.Some Christians believe that everything else evolved except for man. But yes, they spiritualize the texts which leads to spiritualizing other texts. The RCC has always done that so it's not a stretch for the Pope to take such an incorrect position. btw the John Ankerberg show is currently running The Great Debate on Daystar Sunday evenings. I think they are on part 4 now. The main debaters are Hugh Ross vs. Ken Ham. I actually have some of Ross's old books, very interesting especially regarding time and space and such, but I disagree with his overall old-earth position as well as some of his other theological positions. You can find info at http://www.ankerberg.org/ or http://www.johnankerberg.org/TV/ankjasrm.html

[Paul M]

Yes exactly. If you spiritualize or explain away one thing you are going to make other 'accomodations' with scripture to back up the original distortion and what may have seemed like a small theological difference in the beginning ends up where we are today, a big mess.

I used to think it didn't really matter if someone belived the 'gap' theory- God said days, but those days could have been millions of years long. But it specifically says days so we should take for what it is.

Now alot of people are saying evolution and creation can co-exist, the religion of appeasement-the problem is that it directly contradicts that word of God. The pope, the so called 'vicar of Christ' obviously doesn't know his Bible which isn't a big suprise, he thinks it's 'absurdity' to take God at his word.

[Veillifted]

This pope grows more insidious by the day.

Genesis 1:11 " And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass,the herb yeilding seed, and the fruit tree yeilding fruit AFTER HIS KIND, WHOSE SEED IS IN ITSELF,upon the earth; and it was so.

Genesis 1: 20: " And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth...

God made the animals as they appear today. There is no talk of making one thing that morphed into another thing. Obviously God created Adam and Eve as adults.

People want evolution because it absolves them from any kind of morality. If you believe you are an animal you will act like one. If you came from slime you naturally will behave accordingly. This pope is going to be responsible for sending millions to hell.

I agree with you 100%

[NovaStorm]

Some Christians believe that everything else evolved except for man. But yes, they spiritualize the texts which leads to spiritualizing other texts. The RCC has always done that so it's not a stretch for the Pope to take such an incorrect position. btw the John Ankerberg show is currently running The Great Debate on Daystar Sunday evenings. I think they are on part 4 now. The main debaters are Hugh Ross vs. Ken Ham. I actually have some of Ross's old books, very interesting especially regarding time and space and such, but I disagree with his overall old-earth position as well as some of his other theological positions. You can find info at http://www.ankerberg.org/ or http://www.johnankerberg.org/TV/ankjasrm.html

Ugh, I guess that was it for “The Great Debate” series pretty much, it was only Hugh Ross having running time with his videos and comments tonight. From the first few episodes of the series I pretty much got the impression that Ankerberg favored Ross on his evolution views, seemed less than equal time even though Ham really stood his ground against them all very well.

So tonight it was all about Ross and mainly about the BIG… bang theory. Summarizing, he was saying (the point I disagree with) is that if you go reverse into time, that he puts it, the universe becomes “infinitely small”. I wonder if he really knows what the word infinitely means… comes from infinity meaning forever or boundlessness. But somehow he thinks it was created from an infinitely small mass or something. My take on it is that if it was created, it had to start at some point no matter how small, that there could be no infinitely small object of any kind.

Also he was into the time it takes light to travel, but what is he basing billions of years upon? Current circumstances in our little corner of creation. When did time and space become absolutely set as a constant? We have a good idea that such laws can be bent when dealing with black holes, isn‘t God at least a wee bit more powerfull than a black hole in the least? (far much more so of course). When God said let there be light as He was hovering over the face of the waters, did He need to wait 8.317 minutes for sunlight to reach the earth? Then wait another billion years+ for star light to reach the earth? Why can’t God be powerful enough to call forth the light on His timing; at the moment He calls upon it that same moment? But He can! And did.

[Veillifted]

Ugh, I guess that was it for “The Great Debate” series pretty much, it was only Hugh Ross having running time with his videos and comments tonight. From the first few episodes of the series I pretty much got the impression that Ankerberg favored Ross on his evolution views, seemed less than equal time even though Ham really stood his ground against them all very well.

So tonight it was all about Ross and mainly about the BIG… bang theory. Summarizing, he was saying (the point I disagree with) is that if you go reverse into time, that he puts it, the universe becomes “infinitely small”. I wonder if he really knows what the word infinitely means… comes from infinity meaning forever or boundlessness. But somehow he thinks it was created from an infinitely small mass or something. My take on it is that if it was created, it had to start at some point no matter how small, that there could be no infinitely small object of any kind.

Also he was into the time it takes light to travel, but what is he basing billions of years upon? Current circumstances in our little corner of creation. When did time and space become absolutely set as a constant? We have a good idea that such laws can be bent when dealing with black holes, isn‘t God at least a wee bit more powerfull than a black hole in the least? (far much more so of course). When God said let there be light as He was hovering over the face of the waters, did He need to wait 8.317 minutes for sunlight to reach the earth? Then wait another billion years+ for star light to reach the earth? Why can’t God be powerful enough to call forth the light on His timing; at the moment He calls upon it that same moment? But He can! And did.

Chuck Missler has alot on this subject as well.


Check him out at khouse.org, he brings to light some evidence that suggests slowing down of light since pre-noah days based on tests done by 3 seperate scientists using the same methods of testing.

A modern laser test confirmed the same results of a "slowing" down of the speed of light.

Interesting stuff on khouse