RR Rule #7 about Dreams and Visions

[tenn4ever]

Thank you for the explanations.

[Buzzardhut]

I think as usual the word of faith people are taking things too far ( and the toronto blessing was taken over by satan imho) but God can and does send Holy laughter to those who need it :nod What a glorious Lord we serve!! :pray :wave
Well we do not encourage holy laughter either. (especially the kind from Toronto (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/quotes.html)) we support Joy which encourages pleasantness, but not the five fold signs and wonders from the neo-charismatic (http://www.believershome.com/html/pentecostal__charismatic__thir.html#ThirdWave) Holy Laughter.

We suggest caution concerning the Third Wave Blessings (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/geneology.html).

[Buzzardhut]

Those associated with this movement do not wish to be labeled “Pentecostal” or “charismatic.” despite sharing Pentecostal-like experiences and doctrines.

1. They simply wish to be known as evangelicals who are open to the Holy Spirit.

2. They are Gnostics (http://www.believershome.com/html/pentecostal__charismatic__thir.html#GnosticsFirefo xHTML\Shell\Open\Command). They believe God can and does communicate outside of the Scripture and directly to His children, giving new revelation that is apart from Scripture. Third Wavers thus deny the sufficiency of Scripture.

3. Five-Fold Ministry is one of the "truths" God is supposedly restoring to the church and is associated with the Latter Rain Movement. This is a system of church government with apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. See The Faulty Foundation of the Five-Fold Ministry by Robert M. Bowman.

4. In these end times, God is re-establishing the offices of prophet and apostle with the power and authority beyond anything experienced by the Old Testament prophets and the New Testament apostles. For more information, see False Prophets, Pseudo Apostles, and a New Gospel

5. Unity is far more important than doctrine. Unity is built through relationships, not doctrine. Doctrinal differences are set aside. As a result, those riding this wave are able to infiltrate various churches with the goal of influencing the church to accept the vision of the Third Wave which is unity under modern day apostles and prophets.

6. Power Evangelism and Power Encounters. Jesus and the apostles met the needs of people by healing, casting out demons, and even raising the dead. These miracles made people interested in the Good News. This is how we should evangelize today. A Power Encounter happens when the Kingdom of God encounters the Kingdom of Satan. It is here when God shows his power over Satan and people turn to the Lord.

7. Those associated with this movement are not waiting for the return of Christ but for the Church to rise up and usher in the kingdom. The ushering in of the kingdom depends on the church. Instead of looking for the coming Savior, the church is to solve the problems of planet earth. God’s glory now replaces the physical Son of God coming back.

8. Individuals can be demonized; that is, a demon can live within a part of the body. Even a Christian can be demonized. A demon cannot inhabit the spirit of a Christian, but a demon can live in the body of a Christian.

9. Kingdom Now; Kingdom-Dominion; Restoration Theology. This is also associated with the House-church and Restoration movements.

For more information, see Kingdom Theology (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/l04.html) and Dominion Theology, Kingdom Now Theology, Recontructionism (http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/cor/dominion.htm).

[Buzzardhut]

Top Ten Reasons to Reject KINGDOM-DOMINION Teachings (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/tenreasons.html)

01. It requires a universal Kingdom of God on earth.

Obviously, in order to alter society and bring in biblical laws for the nations, in order to change man's habits of greed and violence, there would have to be a world government headed and policed by Restoration Christians. (The Roman religio-political empire nearly achieved this in time gone by, but at a high cost - the oppression of the masses, widescale poverty and ignorance, the disappearance of the Bible texts in the common language, papal abuses, priestly dominion and the slaughter of thousands of dissenters and so-called heretics who refused to bow the knee to Roman dictators in the Church.)

This system requires obedience to Law. If any system of religion is going to be introduced worldwide, amongst many who offer only a token submission to it, obviously that religion must be strongly enforced and governed by rules and regulations. In fact, the religion proposed by Restoration (and other) Christian movements for world transformation today is one closely modelled on the Old Testament Law. Every part of the world system - law, government, medicine, education etc - would be ruled by biblical precepts. But the New Testament demonstrates that Law cannot save mankind and that the only hope for man is in justification by faith. The Law has failed to transform mankind and it always will. [Rom 7:6] But Restoration Christians hope to resurrect it as the basis of a new age of peace and righteousness.

Taking restoration teachings to their logical conclusion, it is clear that nothing less than world christianisation would work the miracle of planetary salvation. This, say the leaders, would be the 'Kingdom of Peace and Righteousness' promised in the Old Testament. However, given the condition of the human heart, and satan's plans for world dominion, it would more likely be the universal reign of terror through Antichrist! In the Word of God, not universal obedience but universal wickedness is forecast before the Coming of Christ, and all nations will follow the satanic plans of the 'Beast'. [Rev 13:3,4] To set about organising and networking for a New Order and for global dominion is to throw huge parts of the Church into the hands of 'another christ' and 'another gospel'.


02. It robs the Jews of their inheritance.

In order to provide biblical proof of their role as earth saviours and law-givers, and in order to support their claim to be the Kingdom of God on earth, Restoration leaders have to pirate the Old Testament promises of God to the nation of Israel and make them apply to the Church.

They have gone on record as saying that Israel has no further place in God's future plan for blessing the nations, nor will the 'kingdom' promises of the OT come to pass specifically for Israel, but only by and through the Church. The Jews rejected their Messiah, they say, and so forfeited their inheritance. But God, who can never lie nor break His Word, has promised specific material blessings of land, prosperity, nationhood, peace and victory to the literal nation of Israel in the future. These promises have never been fulfilled and can only be fulfilled in the context of a re-gathering and spiritual resurrection of Jews in the literal land of Israel. [Jer 31:35-37]


03. It removes awareness of the Return of the Lord.

The emphasis on earthly triumph for the Church and long years of victorious rule to precede the Lord's Coming removes the need to 'watch and pray' and be ready for that Day. Many sensitive Christians are aware that the signs leading up to the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus are being fulfilled in this generation, and that - in fact - the Coming may be very soon indeed. If so, we ought to be on our guard against laxity and deception, as Jesus warned. But Restoration doctrine promises ultimate triumph for the Church instead of the tribulation of the endtimes prophesied in the Word, and so encourages a careless attitude.


04. It denies the scriptural prophesies of the end-times.

Because Restoration teaching places the binding of evil, and the 'dominion' of the righteous, at the FIRST coming of the Lord, it radically adjusts our understanding of the book of Revelation and the other prophecies of the End. According to this scheme, the Tribulation, Antichrist, Apostasy and so forth are placed historically in the PAST, or else are made out to be symbolic interpretations of ordinary antagonism against the victorious Church. The Restoration understanding of prophecy is largely POST-millennial. That is, it places the Return of Christ AFTER the reign of righteousness and peace. Therefore, what is now expected is not tribulation but triumph. This is very dangerous, especially as the scripture warns that, before Jesus returns, a world leader claiming to be Messiah will arise. [2 Thess 2:3,4] It may be that Restoration Christians, unaware of the true prophetic calendar, will accept this man as Christ.

05. It denies the sovereignty of the Godhead.

Restoration doctrine claims that Jesus CANNOT return until all His enemies have been put under the feet of the Church, (including death, presumably). His coming is not at the appointed time ordained by God, as scripture says [Acts 1:7] but must wait on the preparations made for Him by the Church, for the world must be evangelised and saved and the Bride must be totally united and without spot or wrinkle when He comes. However, the Bible states that very few will be ready when Jesus comes, and that the purification of the Bride is a work of the Holy Spirit, not Christian leaders. [Luke 18:8/Matt 7:14]


06. It requires religious unity.

Since the world must be evangelized and cleansed, according to this doctrine, and since this cannot be done by individual churches, it is imperative that all denominations come together to do the work. The plan for World Evangelization entails an overthrowing of doctrinal differences (such as justification by faith alone) to allow Roman Catholics and liberals to help christianize the World. But the scripture forbids us to work together with unbelievers and heretics. [2 Cor 6:14]


07. It rests on human ability and wisdom.

Instead of the wisdom and power of the Holy Spirit, the scheme of world restoration calls for the development of man's social skills and knowledge, organisational ability, qualities of leadership, rhetoric and the ability to dominate adversaries. Restoration Christians are now being encouraged to take a full part in all areas of the world system in order to change it from within. But Bible Christians were often the poorest and least intelligent, and relied on nothing but the power of God to back their preaching. Their work was to preach the gospel only, and never were Christians told in scripture to change mankind by social action. [1 Cor 2:1-5]


08. It requires a structured Church system based on human leadership.

In order to establish world dominion, Restoration teaching must be unvaried and universal, and this cannot be done without the obedience of all its followers. Thus, a system of leadership [discipleship] must be introduced to ensure every Christian is under authority and unable to err from the teaching. This excludes from the 'one world kingdom' all those who disagree with Restoration teaching. In effect, it disinherits all other Christians from the Body of Christ. Indeed, some restoration fellowships teach that their Church is the only valid one, that the door to salvation is through the Church, [not Jesus Christ the Saviour!] and that everyone outside of the system is outside of the Kingdom of God.


09. It replaces Jesus with the Church.

In an effort to strengthen the claims of the Church on earth, as a Kingdom and Authority to be obeyed, Restoration doctrine has come close to replacing Lord Jesus with His Body. The properties, abilities and authority of Jesus are made over to the visible Body on earth and His functions as Head and Government, Shepherd and King are taken over by Church elders (on His behalf, they say!). Then, it becomes the responsibility OF THE CHURCH to destroy the wicked and establish the Kingdom on earth. This leads to human arrogance and rivalry, and replaces obedience to God with submission to the Church.


10. It draws from corrupt roots.

What we know today as restoration doctrine is a hybrid of Roman dominionism, liberal a-millennialism, post-millennial eschatology, and latter-rain doctrines. The Latter Rain revivals of the early 20th century introduced an ideal new to Christendom - that of achieving religious unity and a golden age for the Church by means of revelation knowledge and spiritual power. Much more was entailed in the scheme, but this heresy, though largely debunked in the 1950's, seeded the charismatic movement and linked with other groups to form the Restoration Movement.

Thus, much current heresy on the "birth of the Manchild" and the role of an elite army of saints in taking the nations for God - present in Toronto teachings - has been able to implant itself most readily in charismatic churches where restoration teachings had already paved the way.

Many have discovered from bitter experience in restoration fellowships that behind the smiling faces, camaraderie, loving embraces and victorious praise, there lies a spirit of dominion that will wound and crush any who do not toe the line. An empire-building, self-seeking arrogance pervades much of the Restoration leadership, and they have proven themselves closed to correction. Greed, corruption, immorality and spiritual abuses have thrived in this climate - and the teaching which focuses so much on the earth as our inheritance had led many to become so in love with this present world as to adopt almost all its values.

Without denying that there are many sincere and godly Christians within this system, it needs to be said most strongly that Restoration churches are a foundation of sand, and the doctrines taught (if indeed Bible teaching IS undertaken - for the Bible has almost disappeared from some churches!) are unscriptural and unsound.

Anyone within the Restoration system should think very carefully about the dangers to their spiritual walk, and seek God for a complete revelation about these matters.

[AllforHim]

Well we do not encourage holy laughter either. (especially the kind from Toronto (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/quotes.html)) we support Joy which encourages pleasantness, but not the five fold signs and wonders from the neo-charismatic (http://www.believershome.com/html/pentecostal__charismatic__thir.html#ThirdWave) Holy Laughter.

We suggest caution concerning the Third Wave Blessings (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/geneology.html).

:idunno I'm sorry I definately wasn't agreeing with what you posted about these things going on in some churches, just sharing my experience.Didn't mean to get the thread moved to apostasy :scratch :ohno Every blessing :hug :wave

[SPOKENWORD]

Holy laughter is nothing more than the joy of the Lord.:hehee

[SPOKENWORD]

I see this board does not support a word of knowledge. What do you do with 1 Corinth 12;8 ? Do you not believe what Gods Word says?:scratch

[Sing4Him]

Did you see Rule #7?? :scratch
[07] We Do not support 'Words of Knowledge', Dreams and Vision Interpretations, Words of Faith, Bible Codes, personal spiritual encounters, personal messages from God, self perceived signs of future events, unique events perceived as signs from God, personal prophecies, or any other subjective experiences.
We encourage you to study and hear from God's word. II Timothy 2:15

There is a very good article in apostasy regarding this.

:)
Please take a look:
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=10169

[WhitemoonG]

I thought it might be helpful and proper to point out that the passage mentioned in Joel 2-3 refers to events during the Day of the Lord, with Israel's complete and final deliverance from the nations of the world, the battle of Armageddon in the valley of Jehoshaphat, the tribulation, sun turning dark, moon to blood, etc.

As such, it is not, in and of itself, a basis for claims or questions of current visions, prophesy, direct revelations, etc.

[Buzzardhut]

I thought it might be helpful and proper to point out that the passage mentioned in Joel 2-3 refers to events during the Day of the Lord, with Israel's complete and final deliverance from the nations of the world, the battle of Armageddon in the valley of Jehoshaphat, the tribulation, sun turning dark, moon to blood, etc.

As such, it is not, in and of itself, a basis for claims or questions of current visions, prophesy, direct revelations, etc.
Yes, that would be during the Great Tribulation, not this current point in time.