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Sing4Him
August 5th, 2007, 11:18 AM
Rick Warren and the New christianity


2 Thess 2:3

"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,"


No there was no typo in my title i believe what businessman Rick Warren is selling is a false poor imitation of Christianity.
What Rick sells to over 400,00 blinded pastors and leaders every week from his ministry toolbox has little to do with Christ but a lot to do with success and growth which many times equals profit.
It is centered on what man whats and can do, not pastors and leaders seeking Gods will through His Holy Spirit.

Here is a quote from a recent toolbox article-
"Before you can grow your church to the next level, you’ve got to fully understand where you are at now."
Notice the focus is on you no mention of seeking Gods will here.

Throughout the article Rick never mentions scripture of Jesus at all.

Instead of quoting scripture Rick Quotes Rick.


"It is very rare to find a person who is able to be skilled at all three of these levels. Generally, you’ll be good at one.

Rick Warren

Now Rick does mention God once in this article-[/B]"And I know many of you are still in that stage, and I want to encourage you to stick to the vision God has placed in your heart)."
[B]What God is Rick talking about here?
Im not sure since Rick seems to worship a god who is ok on promoting Harry Potter which in turn promotes occult practice.
Thats not the same God I worship.
Does Rick even know what God is being promoted in the church he manages?
Check this quote-
"Now that I am at the executive level, I know very little of what's going on in the church, in terms of detail."
Here is the link to the article judge this and decide for yourselves-

http://www.pastors.com/RWMT/default.asp?id=320&artid=10756&expand=1

In conclusion Rick Warren and other businessmen are forming a new christianity beware you are not deceived.
Here is some wise words from a friend and brother in the Lord of mine Sandy Simpson

"Hope all is well with you in the Lord. Discernment is not an option for Christians ... it is an indication whether or not they have been brought to maturity in Christ. Today discernment is more necessary than at any other time in history because so many false teachers and false prophets have gone out. Yet many churches, having been diapraxed by the world and false teaching, have taught Christians to apply the "judge not lest you be judged" Matt. 7:1 passage to everything. But that admonitoin from the Lord is talking about hypocritcal judging, not ALL types of judging. There are some types of judging that the Bible COMMANDS Christians to excercise. It is my hope that those on this email list are practicing discrenment, testing all things, holding on to the good. That does not mean we listen to false teachers eating the meat and spitting out the bones. Would you stick a whole fish in your mouth to eat it? No. We are to avoid the bones to begin with. We are to stay away from false teachers, not let them in our homes, and not give them our blessing until they repent and return to orthodoxy. We are to keep our clothes clean from the world, the flesh, and the enemies messengers ... wolves in sheep's clothing.

In His hands,

Sandy Simpson.

I also pray you are in His Hands and you seek the truth only bought to you by the Holy Spirit who leads all believers into all truth.
Tim

http://simplyagape.blogspot.com/2007/08/rick-warren-and-new-christianity.html

hvnaw8s
August 5th, 2007, 08:03 PM
What bothers me the most about R.W is that he never (or if he does its rare), mentions the Holy Spirit being the One who draws men to Jesus.

I would love to see or hear him show some humility.
Not always talking about doing things his way, its always about him and his way.

Even in this article its all about him and his order of doing things. Where's God in this? Why doesn't he ever say something like, "Seek God fervently to know what you are to do"? Preach the whole Word of God and allow the Holy Spirit to work in the hearts of men.

This pastor doesn't even think it's all that necessary for other pastors to seek God fervently when preparing for a sermon. Hey, just buy one of his sermons online. This is WRONG and people need to wake up. Remove the sleep out of their spiritual eyes.

Instead though, he does let us know that he did seek out unbelievers for their advice to grow his church. And business men such as Peter Drucker. And writes about it as if that's a really good thing.

When he speaks about the church, its always comes across as if he's runnig a "business."

That if you do xyz, then you'll be as successful as me. :rolleyes


Jhn 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."


Sorry for the rant....
:praying for Rick Warren and those who follow him.
And for those speaking out against this apostasy.


1Cr 2:1 And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God.

1Cr 2:2 For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

1Cr 2:3 I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling,

1Cr 2:4 and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,

1Cr 2:5 so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

And....

1Cr 2:10 For to us God revealed {them} through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.

1Cr 2:11 For who among men knows the {thoughts} of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the {thoughts} of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,

1Cr 2:13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual {thoughts} with spiritual {words.}

1Cr 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.