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[CountryBumpkin]

SIGH!!

--and no, not all Christians are baptised with the Spirit. Acts 19:6, Acts 8 They are baptised by the Spirit into the body of Christ
Jesus is the One who baptises in the Spirit.....John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire Luke 3:16.

:idunno What are you saying? First you say that Jesus baptises in the Spirit, but the verse you quote says He will baptise with the Spirit.

[firstlove]

:idunno What are you saying? First you say that Jesus baptises in the Spirit, but the verse you quote says He will baptise with the Spirit.

I'm not sure I understand your question. Jesus is the One who baptises in the Spirit-He is the same forever, and He still does so. It isn't some "automatic" thing though.

It's like this....
when we are baptised in water-another Christian does the baptising and the water is what we're baptised into.
when we are baptised into the body-the Holy Spirit does the baptising and the Body of Christ is what we're baptised into. (this is the One baptism that unites us all at that moment)
when we are baptised in the Holy Spirit-Jesus is our baptiser and the Holy Spirit is who we are baptised into.

[Channa]

Some puzzling Scriptures are found in Matthew, if we try to lump together the stated reason for Jesus' earthly ministry to cover both Jew and Gentile. Many years after His death, burial and resurrection, a zealous defender of Judaism turned apostle to the Gentiles brought this new message. Speaking of which, why would there be a NEED for an Apostle to the Gentiles if they were already part of the whole?

What do we do with Matthew 10:5-7:

5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Who is speaking, and to whom is he speaking? Sounds like Jesus, a Jewish rabbi speaking to his Jewish followers.

So what is the Kingdom of Heaven? Why does Jesus not speak of the free gift of Grace and Paul not speak of the Kingdom of Heaven? Just what is going on here anyway!!!!?


And again Jesus states the same thing, this time directly to a Gentile.

Matthew 15:22-28:

[22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples (Jews) came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.[25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
[26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.[27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
[28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Jesus even called her a dog (Gentile) not fit to be given the bread of the children (Jews). Specifically He was not including this Gentile woman in what He was proclaiming throughout the land of Israel.

[God's Trombone]

Very good and interesting.

I would like to hear your answers to these questions you raise.

[Aliya]

.... I was curious to hear your thoughts, if it was today that you heard Les Felrick (at Bethesda Church in Prior Lake). I was there also. :)

[God's Trombone]

.... I was curious to hear your thoughts, if it was today that you heard Les Felrick (at Bethesda Church in Prior Lake). I was there also. :)

I believe it is appropriate to spell: Les Feldig because I think it is pronounced correctly with the hard 'g'.

I could be wrong.:wave

[HeIsEnough]

What do we do with Matthew 10:5-7:

5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The same thing we do with other teachings He gave about being His witnesses to the uttermost parts of the earth, e.g. it was a question of timing. Christ, Paul's message, and every other thing was to the Jew first, then to the Gentile.


So what is the Kingdom of Heaven? Why does Jesus not speak of the free gift of Grace and Paul not speak of the Kingdom of Heaven? Just what is going on here anyway!!!!?

Paul did speak of the Kingdom of Heaven (Kingdom of God), and preached it as well, though with a considerable amount of further revelation from God, as He promised would take place.

Comparative studies between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God, even the Kingdom of Christ reveal they are one and the same.


And again Jesus states the same thing, this time directly to a Gentile.

Matthew 15:22-28:

[22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples (Jews) came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.[25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
[26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.[27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
[28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Jesus even called her a dog (Gentile) not fit to be given the bread of the children (Jews). Specifically He was not including this Gentile woman in what He was proclaiming throughout the land of Israel.

Again, the purpose of Christ was to bring the promises to whom He promised long before He tabernacled among us, i.e., Israel.

It was also prophesied that the Gentiles would benefit and share in the goodness of God.

But all within its proper time, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

[PanTerra]

I believe it is appropriate to spell: Les Feldig because I think it is pronounced correctly with the hard 'g'.

I could be wrong.:wave

Are y'all talking about this guy?
http://www.lesfeldick.org/

[God's Trombone]

The same thing we do with other teachings He gave about being His witnesses to the uttermost parts of the earth, e.g. it was a question of timing. Christ, Paul's message, and every other thing was to the Jew first, then to the Gentile.

You overlook that the "time" is not primarily an explanation but rather the "purpose of God." In God's prophecy Israel would be a "light unto the Gentiles" only after Messiah had set up His kingdom rule in Jerusalem. Then Gentiles "would reach out to grab the skirt of a Jew to find God" etc. etc. Israel would be a "royal priesthood." That is why Jesus preached to only Israel, and sent His apostles only to Israel. When He commissioned them to go to Israel and then to the whole world it was with the nation of Israel accepting Christ in view, then they would go farther to the nations. We know what happened instead--- Israel continued to reject their King, even killing Him. This resulted in Christ going to the Gentiles without Israel, by raising up the Apostle to the Gentiles, Saul of Tarsus, later called Paul. And when the Apostles saw what God was doing through Paul (Acts 15, Gal. 2) they changed their commission by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and left the Gentiles in Paul's hands while they ministered to the circumcision believers (also called the kingdom saints.)



Paul did speak of the Kingdom of Heaven (Kingdom of God), and preached it as well, though with a considerable amount of further revelation from God, as He promised would take place.

Paul realized as did Peter that the kingdom of God on earth would not come into being until the return of Christ to earth. Paul was given a different Gospel to preach that had zilch to do with the coming kingdom of God on earth, but had everything to do with God's new creation, the Body of Christ to exist in the heavenly realm. That is why he wrote that we "are seated together in heaven with Christ." Whether we die first or go in the rapture, we will have heavenly bodies in the heavens.
Comparative studies between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God, even the Kingdom of Christ reveal they are one and the same.

In the millenium, there will be live humans living on earth, and we will be glorified living in the heavens.



Again, the purpose of Christ was to bring the promises to whom He promised long before He tabernacled among us, i.e., Israel.

It was also prophesied that the Gentiles would benefit and share in the goodness of God.

But all within its proper time, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

As I pointed out above, the Gentiles were prophesied to be "sharing" through the rise of Israel to be ruled by Christ. By the long suffering of God, the mystery of the cross, we have
received salvation through the fall of Israel. (Rom. 11)

[HeIsEnough]

As I pointed out above, the Gentiles were prophesied to be "sharing" through the rise of Israel to be ruled by Christ. By the long suffering of God, the mystery of the cross, we have
received salvation through the fall of Israel. (Rom. 11)

I dunno GT, its kind of difficult to follow your posting 'style'. Regardless, it doesn't seem like you added anything of note to the specifics of what I said. Its a deep subject, and only the periphery was brought up by me, enough to address the poster.

It is noted Paul preached the kingdom. Examples etc, etc...


Acts 19:8
Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God.


Acts 28:31
Boldly and without hindrance he preached the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ.


1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

The poster suggests differences, the scriptures show they are the same. The content and your post notwithstanding.