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pegmo
August 5th, 2007, 09:52 PM
Does anyone have any knowledge about the Grace Gospel Fellowship of churches? We are going to hear Les Fel**** preach at one nearby, and I wondered what kind of church it is. Their website says they are a member of Grace Gospel Fellowship and I know nothing about them.....any info out there?

Pegmo

firstlove
August 6th, 2007, 07:02 AM
Les is a quaint, down home, simple preacher. Some bad theology-but he does appeal to quite a few-because of his style.

dlocal
August 6th, 2007, 06:08 PM
What kind of bad theology does he preach?

firstlove
August 7th, 2007, 02:13 PM
What kind of bad theology does he preach?

If you want to-you can look it up-there are plenty of heresy hunter sites on the web. I just believe, that with him, like with any one-you need to keep your Bible handy. I really, don't get into personal bashing-like so many "christians" do, but neither do I agree with everything he says, (or anyone else for that matter)

Berean Girl
August 7th, 2007, 04:35 PM
If his doctrine is not sound, we are to have no fellowship with him or her.

Thats what the Bible states and if that is bashing, then I guess God is being mean....

amazing... :ohno

Buzzardhut
August 7th, 2007, 04:38 PM
If his doctrine is not sound, we are to have no fellowship with him or her.

Thats what the Bible states and if that is bashing, then I guess God is being mean....

amazing... :ohno
I think it's more mean to teach against good Bible doctrine.
The false teachers don't say anything mean because they want a big following.

Berean Girl
August 7th, 2007, 05:25 PM
And I think it is meaner still to have the cure for a disease but to deny it to the one who needs it to be healed because we dont want to come across as being "all-knowing"....

Romans 6:17
But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.

Romans 16:17
[ Avoid Divisive Persons ] Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. [emphasis added mine]

Ephesians 4:14
that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,

1 Timothy 1:3
[ No Other Doctrine ] As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

1 Timothy 4:1
[ The Great Apostasy ] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

1 Timothy 4:6
[ A Good Servant of Jesus Christ ] If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed.

1 Timothy 4:13
Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

Titus 1:9
holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.

Titus 2:1
[ Qualities of a Sound Church ] But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine:

2 Peter 2:1
[ Destructive Doctrines ] But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

2 John 1:9-10
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; [emphasis added mine]

According to the Scriptures, God is very adamant about His Doctrine as proposed in His Word and maintaining the purity thereof. I also stand on these scriptures so the question must be asked --

Galatians 4:16
Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?

What then are we commanded to do with with false teachers and doctrines?

2 Corinthians 6:13-15
13 Now in return for the same (I speak as to children), you also be open.
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?

Galatians 1:6-8

Only One Gospel

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. [emphasis added mine -- apparently, this is so important to God that it is repeated not once -- but twice!!!!]

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

2 Peter 2:1
[ Destructive Doctrines ] But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

2 Peter 2:3-12
3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[a] not slumber.

Doom of False Teachers

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.

Depravity of False Teachers

12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,

1 John 1:6-7
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

WORD OF GOD SPEAK..... :scripture

pegmo
August 7th, 2007, 09:45 PM
I have only heard good things about Les...have often listened to his radio program. Will take a look at the criticism, but will still go hear him either way.

Still, wondering if anyone knows anything about the Grace Gospel Fellowship of churches?

Aliya
August 7th, 2007, 11:02 PM
Les is a quaint, down home, simple preacher. Some bad theology-but he does appeal to quite a few-because of his style.

Since Les tells everyone to check out everything against the scripture, only listens to arguments based on scripture, and teaches with bible open, in hand, looking up passages, he doesn't have a problem with checking him out against the bible. That is one of the things I enjoy most about his teaching. Do I agree with him on every point? Not necessarily, but those are on issues like whether Ezekiel 38 happens pre-trib or during the tribulation - not issues of doctrine or salvation.

Saying someone has bad theology and not backing it up - and then when asked you say:

I really, don't get into personal bashing-like so many "christians" do, but neither do I agree with everything he says, (or anyone else for that matter)

is disingenuous. You just cast doubt on his teaching without presenting anything to back up your accusation, and then when asked, you claim you don't get into personal bashing. I would say what you did is worse than if you simply said you disagreed with xyz for reason Scripture verses a,b,c.

firstlove
August 8th, 2007, 09:28 AM
Since Les tells everyone to check out everything against the scripture, only listens to arguments based on scripture, and teaches with bible open, in hand, looking up passages, he doesn't have a problem with checking him out against the bible. That is one of the things I enjoy most about his teaching. Do I agree with him on every point? Not necessarily, but those are on issues like whether Ezekiel 38 happens pre-trib or during the tribulation - not issues of doctrine or salvation.

Saying someone has bad theology and not backing it up - and then when asked you say:



is disingenuous. You just cast doubt on his teaching without presenting anything to back up your accusation, and then when asked, you claim you don't get into personal bashing. I would say what you did is worse than if you simply said you disagreed with xyz for reason Scripture verses a,b,c.

Your entitled to your opinion-but I still don't agree with all his theology-and I don't have to get into it with you=that is one of the problems with this site-many of you think that you have the right to name call anyone who doesn't agree with everything you believe., but you don't even totally agree with your own pastor-but somehow, "that's different". I'm just not going there. If you want to discuss a specific point of theology then that's fine-but you'll not find me even "Benny Hinn" bashing-which is so common here-and I don't agree with him either.
I will tell you this...
There is only one gospel and it is the same for Jew or gentile.