The Mark of the Beast Chip Thread *Merged*

[Rega]

Will they remove internet shopping or come up with some system to scan people thru their computers? I know this is just speculation right now, but it is a thought to ponder on. That technology would take some time to make or am I wrong? :idunno

That is an interesting question... Consider that a lot of computers already have fingerprint readers. It wouldn't be hard to put a reader in for a chip. In a way, the access (PKI) cards already in use for logging into computers do exactly that... they read a chip embedded in the card.

[ArkieTuzi]

I thought this was interesting (for those threads regarding chipping children against their will)

:shocked
Wow! that is immensely interesting!

[Tres Wright]

The KJV of the bible uses the term mountain and describes them as past empires - which I translate as symbolic of the aggregate of countries of these past empires, and not local hills per se - if that makes sense..

Indeed it does make sense, I've heard that interpretation and a few others as well. My understanding is the original Greek text can be interpreted as either hills or mountains, it's not sure what was meant. It's a passage that has been widely debated, some say it's previous empires, some say it's the seven kings in the end times (10-3), some say it's hills, others say mountains, and yet others say it has dual meaning with various combinations of the above :) I certainly don't "hang my hat" on that one passage, but I personally feel that in aggregate the argument that it all refers to the RCC is quite convincing. But hey, I've been wrong before :)


I was trying to address people's fears that a baby or mentally handicapped person would be chipped just for the sake of chipping them.

I agree, while there may be some handicapped adults and children that may be forced to take the mark, if they don't have the mental capacity to understand the choice between God and Satan than I doubt they will be held accountable for what someone forced on them.


Assuming the age of accountability is 7 for kids to get raptured...

Using this, by the time the mid-trib comes around, wouldn't kids, at the youngest, be 11? If so, wouldn't they be well above the age of accountability by then?

With that being said, using this logic-I would think they would be given the choice to take the mark.

We know that babies will be born during the Trib from this passage:


Matthew 24:19
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!

So there will be babies around. Also, not many people agree with me on this but based on my studies I feel that children of unbelieving parents will not be Raptured. I do believe that if they die before reaching the age of accountibility then they will go to Heaven, but I have found nothing scriptural supporting them being spared from the Trib. Quite the contrary, children of unbelievers have never been previously spared from judgments. I do believe that children of believers will be Raptured based on this passage:



1 Corinthians 7:14
For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

Plus we have examples such as the first born children of believers being spared in Egypt while those of unbelievers died. Also Noah's family was spared from the flood and Lot's daughters were spared from Sodom.

Not to make a big point of this as I know a lot of people feel otherwise, but I'm only mentioning it because the possibility exists that there will be children of all ages during the Trib.

[Architectlink]

it just occurred to me that people will start chipping their babies to prove they were born in the US or elsewhere, ala the Obama fiasco where no one really knows where is was born or to whom

[BornAgain123]

Tres Wright-excellent points, and great find on the scriptures!

IMHO-I feel it would be better if children under the age of accountability of unbelieving parents would be raptured for the reason being it would wake up their parents and their loved ones around them. But that's JMHO.

But yeah-the numerous times I've read the NT, I'm surprised I let those verses go under my nose! Thanks!:thumb

[Tres Wright]

Tres Wright-excellent points, and great find on the scriptures!

IMHO-I feel it would be better if children under the age of accountability of unbelieving parents would be raptured for the reason being it would wake up their parents and their loved ones around them. But that's JMHO.

But yeah-the numerous times I've read the NT, I'm surprised I let those verses go under my nose! Thanks!:thumb

My pleasure, and while I lean the direction of my previous post I do not rule out the possibility that ALL children will be raptured :) Someone has made the point before that the Rapture is not like any event we've ever seen before and therefore the rules may be different (IE, comparing it to previous judgments may not be accurate). It is certainly true that the Rapture will be a unique event in history. But I try to witness to kids of unbelievers when I get a chance... just in case :)

[out of the box]

If chips are the Mark, it's going to happen and we can't do anything to block it with legislation.

[antitox]

If chips are the Mark, it's going to happen and we can't do anything to block it with legislation.

I'm for delaying it as long as we possibly can.

[BornAgain123]

My pleasure, and while I lean the direction of my previous post I do not rule out the possibility that ALL children will be raptured :) Someone has made the point before that the Rapture is not like any event we've ever seen before and therefore the rules may be different (IE, comparing it to previous judgments may not be accurate). It is certainly true that the Rapture will be a unique event in history. But I try to witness to kids of unbelievers when I get a chance... just in case :)

One of my concerns is that one of my cousins has a relationship with someone NOT in marriage, and they have 2 little boys(6 and 2). Obviously, they likely don't even know the name of Jesus.

I'm just :thinking out loud over how I can get them some bible materials, and some important scriptures on 1 piece of paper. Do you have any suggestions?

[4TheLight]

I still don't see the big freakout about the chips being the MOTB. The MOTB is taking a mark and pledging your allegiance to the "beast" which is a one world government. Getting chipped is not pledging allegiance to anybody that is a mental decision that must be made just as we have made the decision to follow christ. I don't know how a chip since it is planted under the skin and is not visible would be called a "mark". A mark would be physically seen with the eyes such as a tattoo.