The Mark of the Beast Chip Thread *Merged*

[Gilgal]

seems that MOB technology is already here. If not in final form, it might be very close to completion. It appears, at least to me, that the world is approx 3 1/2 years away from it being implemented :whistle

MOB technology is fascinating, but it isn't anything for believers to fear...we won't be here to see it.

[Hootmon]

Is there any room for a possibility that MOB is not a microchip at all (like everyone expects it to be), but just a mark of allegiance, like a tattoo or branding?Plenty of room for that.

The Greek word for 'mark (charagma) implies a visible 'etching' of some kind.

[Tall Timbers]

Whatever form the "mark" ultimately takes, the world will be a much different place at the mid-point of revelation than it is today, and people will line up for the mark either to express their devotion to the false god antichrist, or just so they can eat. Many very brave souls will not receive the mark. Of those, many will be martyred. Those who survive and are in the flock of our Shepard will know the wonder of living throughout the Millennium under a just government.

[cheymat]

Also you have to remember with billions dying during the 1st half of the Trib, there will be a lot less people. So enforcing the mark wont be very hard. The poorest of the poor will probably have died by then, and the the rich or even those with a little money will be the ones alive.

[JamesP]

I have had the opportunity to travel the world several times in the last 20 years and have watched them adopt cell phones, computers and all other technology. Next time you see someone from the Philippines on Facebook, look at how many friends they have - usually over 1,000 (they spend all their time online).



I am of the opinion that the very behind the times people of the world, (i.e. hard to reach, remote areas) will be a great deal of people who possibly get raptured or are part of the sheep side of the sheep/goat judgment. I can't think of anything that would preclude people who've never heard the gospel from being raptured.

Both of these are very interesting ideas. It's amazing how our media's portrayal of other countries is so often completely off base. It takes actually being there to see what the world is really like. I'll take your word for it that the world is much more technologically advanced then we know. As for the few people who really are that removed from civilization, I find it hard to believe that people would be condemned for never having the opportunity to hear the gospel.

[iSong6:3]

It could be that if everyone in the post-Rapture world cannot be implanted with a device to track their attempts to buy or sell, more remote people could at least be tattooed by the AC's forces so that they can, imo. It seems like that would be the more time- and cost-efficient thing. Maybe the mark will be only a tattoo of some sort.

This thread has brought up the question of those who have never heard of Jesus, so here's this:

Question: "What happens to those who have never heard about Jesus?"

Answer: All people are accountable to God whether or not they have “heard about Him.” The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11). The problem is that the human race is sinful; we all reject this knowledge of God and rebel against Him (Romans 1:21-23). If it were not for God's grace, we would be given over to the sinful desires of our hearts, allowing us to discover how useless and miserable life is apart from Him. He does this for those who continually reject Him (Romans 1:24-32).

In reality, it is not that some people have not heard about God. Rather, the problem is that they have rejected what they have heard and what is readily seen in nature. Deuteronomy 4:29 proclaims, “But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.” This verse teaches an important principle—everyone who truly seeks after God will find Him. If a person truly desires to know God, God will make Himself known.

The problem is “there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God” (Romans 3:11). People reject the knowledge of God that is present in nature and in their own hearts, and instead decide to worship a “god” of their own creation. It is foolish to debate the fairness of God sending someone to hell who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel of Christ. People are responsible to God for what God has already revealed to them. The Bible says that people reject this knowledge, and therefore God is just in condemning them to hell.

Instead of debating the fate of those who have never heard, we, as Christians, should be doing our best to make sure they do hear. We are called to spread the gospel throughout the nations (Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 1:8). We know people reject the knowledge of God revealed in nature, and that must motivate us to proclaim the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ. Only by accepting God’s grace through the Lord Jesus Christ can people be saved from their sins and rescued from an eternity apart from God.

If we assume that those who never hear the gospel are granted mercy from God, we will run into a terrible problem. If people who never hear the gospel are saved, it is logical that we should make sure no one ever hears the gospel. The worst thing we could do would be to share the gospel with a person and have him or her reject it. If that were to happen, he or she would be condemned. People who do not hear the gospel must be condemned, or else there is no motivation for evangelism. Why run the risk of people possibly rejecting the gospel and condemning themselves when they were previously saved because they had never heard the gospel? http://rr-bb.com/newreply.php?p=2078094&noquote=1

[TaliaKirana]

Well, we can say one thing. If the Mark of the Beast tech is so close to being possible, how much closer is the Rapture?

[steinhatchee]

I happen to work in the technology industry (often with others in India and other 3rd world countries), and have happened to travel and do business in various 3rd world countries..........I've been to 15 such 3rd world countries and all are very similar.

You're right , ... I've been in mud huts in Africa that had electricity !!! I've sat in shacks in Nicaragua that had nothing but a hammock and a huge tv , but NO toilet !!! Again , in Africa , I've seen a "jet age" family living virtually next door to a "stone age" family , ... and that was in South Africa , what I believe is the most technologically advanced African nation ! I've always heard that you are never more than 5 feet from a spider . Well , in a way , no one on the face of this planet is out of reach of technology ! As for each and every person having some kind of mark , I don't think it's beyond the possiblity , even now ! Will everyone need or use the mark/chip the same , maybe not . But , the power to control the individual is still present .

[steinhatchee]

I am of the opinion that the very behind the times people of the world, (i.e. hard to reach, remote areas) will be a great deal of people who possibly get raptured or are part of the sheep side of the sheep/goat judgment. I can't think of anything that would preclude people who've never heard the gospel from being raptured. The way I understand Romans 1, people who've never been given the Good News and don't know about God or the Law, will be judged based on what they do with the knowledge of God that they do have from nature and creation. I feel many of them will be found acceptable. Just a hunch...because Enoch & Elijah were raptured prior to worldly knowledge of the gospel. What's to stop God from continuing that for people where the Gospel hasn't reached? I know that during the tribulation the gospel will reach the entire earth, but I don't think the entire earth has to hear the gospel prior to the rapture. At least I have heard and read several times that nothing further needs to happen biblically for the rapture to occur, thus its imminency.

Food for thought anyway...

Scott


Interesting thoughts ! I'll certainly be thinking on that for a while . :wave

[steinhatchee]

( In response to iSong:63 's post 17... )
"Why run the risk of people possibly rejecting the gospel and condemning themselves when they were previously saved because they had never heard the gospel? "


So , should we not want our children to grow up , simply because they are not accountable ? I certainly believe that children who die go to heaven . But , if they should live to mature and then reject Christ wouldn't that be a terrible thing on our part , for not allowing them to die as kids ? Sorry for being so morbid , not trying to really argue the point , ... just wondering , that's all . :pray :wave