The Mark of the Beast Chip Thread *Merged*

[drewin11]

I reasearched this company earlier this year. Look at http://www.somarkinnovations.com/. They filled for several patents which should have been approved in the second quarter of this year. They have also done successful field testing on cattle which now leads the way for a mass roll out which they claim could start by the end of 2008. Somark atates taht they can store a 15 digit number in their tatoos. If we take 15^10 power is 576,650,390,625 possible unique identifiers. I would imagine that would cover "A number for every man...".

Other wierd facts about Somark:

1)One of their largest financial backers is "Saint Louis Arch Angels" http://stlouisarchangels.angelgroups.net/. In summary from their website, this financial institution is kind of like a secret society. A individual has to be invited into the group and they have be willing to invest at least 500,000 to 1 million in capital.

2)"Religious Science International" ®Science of Mind - http://www.rsintl.org - This sub-company of Somark is a new age religion which teaches of a one world religion. Look at the very bottom of the website which has a Somark copywrite... Now why would a cattle tatoo company want to have a new age religious affiliate?

[BBB]

Um...:faint

Quote from 'Religious Science International' FAQ
(which teaches 'Science of Mind' which is a registered trademark of SoMark):devil

What does Religious Science teach about Jesus?

Christ is the embodiment of divine Sonship which has come, with varying degrees of power, to people in all ages and to every person in some degree. Christ is a Universal Presence.

We do believe that in the unique personage of Jesus, this Christ was more fully orbed than in anyone of whom we have record. We do believe that in the person of Jesus more of God was manifest. We also believe that Christ comes alike to each and all. There is no one particular person predestined to become the Christ. We must understand the Christ is not a person, but a Principle. It was impossible for Jesus not to have become the Christ, as the human gave way to the Divine, as the man gave way to God, as the flesh gave way to spirit, as the will of division gave way to the will of unity--Jesus the man became a living embodiment of the Christ.

Um...:suprised
I'm speechless!

[Steve53]

I am soooo glad we will be gone before having to worry about the mark of the beast.

[drewin11]

Another interesting fact is that Oprah's book club strongly supported a book called "A New Earth" which has alligned itself with 'Science of Mind' or 'Religious Science International' the SoMark sub-company. I'm sure some of you have heard about this book and the great misinformation Oprah has distributed. The fact still remains why would a Tattoo company for cattle have interest in new age religions. SoMark may not be the Mark of the Beast but for a couple of 21-25 year olds to come up with this technology sure doesn't sit well with me from a spiritual and technology standpoint.

[Cognac]

This tattoo technology displays all of the traits required for the Mark to be practicly applied as described in the Bible.

It operates at range and does not require line of sight, can be invisible or coloured, and tattoos are becomming popular and very acceptable in society.

[lavender]

I see at least two things wrong with the idea that the mark of the beast is a chip or tattoo of some kind. First, it destroys your doctrine of the imminent return of Christ, and second, this technology could be applied to you involuntarily, to the innocent, to the young, the mentally deficient, the unconscious or in what ever state of being that prevents a person from making a conscious moral decision to accept or decline the mark. I can't invision God punishing those with that kind of mark if they could not chose to refuse the mark.

[I'mready]

I see at least two things wrong with the idea that the mark of the beast is a chip or tattoo of some kind. First, it destroys your doctrine of the imminent return of Christ, and second, this technology could be applied to you involuntarily, to the innocent, to the young, the mentally deficient, the unconscious or in what ever state of being that prevents a person from making a conscious moral decision to accept or decline the mark. I can't invision God punishing those with that kind of mark if they could not chose to refuse the mark.

Please explain why it would destroy Imminency.

The Anti-Christ is not here yet - he may be a person who is leader of a country today or some one running for a leadership position but he will not 'become' the Anti-Christ until he is possesed by Satan.
The Bible doesn't say any thing about the 'Innocent' and the Mark - It refers to those who actually follow the Anti-Christ - pledge allegiance to him- of their own volition -and those who refuse the Mark by choice.

The technology for the 'Mark' may be here today but it will not 'become' the Mark until the Anti-Christ makes it mandatory to Buy and Sell.

I can't invision God punishing those with that kind of mark if they could not chose to refuse the mark.
Neither can I

[acceptedintheBeloved]

I see at least two things wrong with the idea that the mark of the beast is a chip or tattoo of some kind. First, it destroys your doctrine of the imminent return of Christ, and second, this technology could be applied to you involuntarily, to the innocent, to the young, the mentally deficient, the unconscious or in what ever state of being that prevents a person from making a conscious moral decision to accept or decline the mark. I can't invision God punishing those with that kind of mark if they could not chose to refuse the mark.

I think I would have to disagree with you here. For one thing, the mark of the beast is not implemented until midway through the tribulation period, well after the "imminent rapture" has occurred. The other thing is that the mark will be for the purpose of "that no man might buy or sell" who does not have this mark. The young and/or infirm (your list) would not be among those who would be "buying or selling" and therefore would not be "forced" to take such a mark. JMHO Revelation 13:15-18, esp. vs. 17

[mswilso]

I think the idea here is that 1) the technology is NOW, i.e. currently available, when it has never been available in the past to "mark" every human, great and small; and 2) that this makes the technology available PRIOR to the emergence of the AC, so that when he DOES come, he will simply be using the technology already available. In other words, it won't be a shock to the population. The shock value will have worn off in a few months, at least.

God Bless

Mike

[lavender]

Imminency- If "the mark of the beast" requires today's technology, then the Lord's return could only be imminent after that technology existed. The doctrine of imminency has been held since the time of the apostles, but the Lord's return couldn't have been imminent during most of that time if the mark is based on today's technology. So, was the Lord's return imminent a thousand years ago, a hundred, how about fifty years ago?

QUOTE: acceptedinthebeloved
"I think I would have to disagree with you here. For one thing, the mark of the beast is not implemented until midway through the tribulation period, well after the "imminent rapture" has occurred. The other thing is that the mark will be for the purpose of "that no man might buy or sell" who does not have this mark. The young and/or infirm (your list) would not be among those who would be "buying or selling" and therefore would not be "forced" to take such a mark. JMHO Revelation 13:15-18, esp. vs. 17"

Rev 13:16 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

I believe all means all, whether they are able to buy or sell isn't a factor. So we must ask, is a mark based on today's technology "the mark of the beast", and if so, do we set out redefining the doctrine of imminency?