The Mark of the Beast Chip Thread *Merged*

[1life]

This is strange technology and even stranger that they are aligned with a new age religion! By the way what has happened to Oprah? She certainly has changed!

[acceptedintheBeloved]

Rev 13:16 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

I believe all means all, whether they are able to buy or sell isn't a factor. So we must ask, is a mark based on today's technology "the mark of the beast", and if so, do we set out redefining the doctrine of imminency?

Some versions (and the original, I believe) say, "And it makes all men, the small and the great... in order that they should give to them a mark..." etc... seeming to indicate "adults" who consent to it. (Revelation 13:15-17 gives a fuller context, as well.)

I am not saying that the mark could not have been something else in days past (prior to such technology presented in the OP, which I didn't comment on), but I, for one, personally believe that the rapture and subsequent tribulation period will take place at a "set time" (known to God our Father and Christ glorified), which heretofore is yet unknown (to us. Hense, "imminent" from our perspective. JMHO)



EDIT TO ADD: Isaiah 46:9-10 "... for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure..."

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[Trust&Obey]

Imminency- If "the mark of the beast" requires today's technology, then the Lord's return could only be imminent after that technology existed. The doctrine of imminency has been held since the time of the apostles, but the Lord's return couldn't have been imminent during most of that time if the mark is based on today's technology. So, was the Lord's return imminent a thousand years ago, a hundred, how about fifty years ago?

Rev 13:16 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

I believe all means all, whether they are able to buy or sell isn't a factor. So we must ask, is a mark based on today's technology "the mark of the beast", and if so, do we set out redefining the doctrine of imminency?

The rapture is imminent - it could occur at any time after Pentecost. In fact, many early church believers thought it would certainly happen in their lifetime!

In John 21:20-23, it is clear that Jesus could have returned in the days of John the Apostle. In Romans 13:11-12, the redemption of the body is considered very near. In James 5:7-9, Jesus coming is viewed as being at the door. And in Revelation 22:20 Jesus says, "He who testifies these things says, Yeah: I come quickly. Amen: come, Lord Jesus."

The Rapture precedes the Tribulation, but it does not begin the Tribulation. In fact, it is not the rapture that starts the Tribulation, but the 70th Week spoken of in Daniel, specifically starting with the covenant mentioned in Daniel 9:27.

What this means, is that no "signs" are needed for an imminent return of Jesus for His Church. However, many prophecies needed and still need to be fulfilled to begin the Tribulation. For instance, Israel needed to be a nation and the Jews that were dispersed needed to return to their ancient home. The tribulation could not have started before that event.

The Bible is silent on whether the rapture will be days, weeks or years prior to The Tribulation. However, as history marches on it is certainly becoming clearer that we are much closer to the Tribulation. It follows then that the rapture is even more likely to occur at any time - and every day we are one day closer.

Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus!

[acceptedintheBeloved]

The Rapture precedes the Tribulation, but it does not begin the Tribulation. In fact, it is not the rapture that starts the Tribulation, but the 70th Week spoken of in Daniel, specifically starting with the covenant mentioned in Daniel 9:27.




Agreed! :thumb

[IamHis]

"The amount of information contained in the ink depends on the surface area available, he said. The U.S. Department of Agriculture calls for a 15-digit number to track cattle. The first three digits are "840" for the U.S. country code. The remaining digits are unique identifiers. The numbers would link to a database containing more information.
If the country code for the US is 840, is there a country with the code numbers of 666? :thinking I know the Bible says it is the number of the beast, and the mark will be the number of his name or his name, but if he comes from the country with that code, that would fit, right? Ahhhhh! I'm off to Google country codes.

[BlessedAssurance]

Imminency- If "the mark of the beast" requires today's technology, then the Lord's return could only be imminent after that technology existed. The doctrine of imminency has been held since the time of the apostles, but the Lord's return couldn't have been imminent during most of that time if the mark is based on today's technology. So, was the Lord's return imminent a thousand years ago, a hundred, how about fifty years ago?

QUOTE: acceptedinthebeloved
"I think I would have to disagree with you here. For one thing, the mark of the beast is not implemented until midway through the tribulation period, well after the "imminent rapture" has occurred. The other thing is that the mark will be for the purpose of "that no man might buy or sell" who does not have this mark. The young and/or infirm (your list) would not be among those who would be "buying or selling" and therefore would not be "forced" to take such a mark. JMHO Revelation 13:15-18, esp. vs. 17"

Rev 13:16 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

I believe all means all, whether they are able to buy or sell isn't a factor. So we must ask, is a mark based on today's technology "the mark of the beast", and if so, do we set out redefining the doctrine of imminency?

God can do as He pleases. If He had pleased to Rapture the church 398 years ago, He would have. If He then chose to begin the end times 200 years ago He would have. It may even have pleased Him to Rapture the church 493 years ago, but not begun the End Times until tomorrow. He will make available whatever technology is necessary. He is, after all, omnipotent. He is, after all, in charge.

[lavender]

I think you all missed my point. If the "mark of the beast" is in fact a chip or something else that depends on today's technology, then the timing of Lord's return is dependent on today's technology. Therefore, the concept of imminency would be invalid until the electronic device existed.

Here's a novel idea, maybe the "mark of the beast" isn't something that depends on technology, and therefore could be applicable to all ages? That would keep your doctrine of imminency intact.

[Trust&Obey]

I think you all missed my point. If the "mark of the beast" is in fact a chip or something else that depends on today's technology, then the timing of Lord's return is dependent on today's technology. Therefore, the concept of imminency would be invalid until the electronic device existed.

lavender

I think you missed our points. :ohno

The rapture is NOT dependent on anything, therefore imminency is NOT invalidated by the MOB - technology.


Here's a novel idea, maybe the "mark of the beast" isn't something that depends on technology, and therefore could be applicable to all ages? That would keep your doctrine of imminency intact.

:tsk sarcasm doesn't help your argument. Scriptures and clear explanations were given to defend the imminent return of Christ for His Church.

[BlessedAssurance]

I think you all missed my point. If the "mark of the beast" is in fact a chip or something else that depends on today's technology, then the timing of Lord's return is dependent on today's technology. Therefore, the concept of imminency would be invalid until the electronic device existed.

Here's a novel idea, maybe the "mark of the beast" isn't something that depends on technology, and therefore could be applicable to all ages? That would keep your doctrine of imminency intact.

Everyone has answered your above question in the previous posts.

Do you not believe in the doctrine of imminency? Because you wrote 'your doctrine.' It is the policy of the board, in fact.

[Biblenuggetlady]

lavender...the doctrine of immenency is in tact regardless of technology or anything else. The immenency is as valid in the apostles day as it is today.

What do you mean, "your doctrine of immenency"? :scratch