The Mark of the Beast Chip Thread *Merged*

[bystillwaters]

The exploratory scoping that will be done by a minature camera, and the chip that will be in my stomach, is for medical reasons.

I have not in any way ( verbally, written) given myself to the anti-christ...I would die first.

In fact, I am at the point of the Paul, when he stated to leave and be with Jesus would be better for him. I also feel there is no question whatsoever, to die and be with Jesus in Heaven, would be so much better than to be in the sin "sick" world filled with grave sorrows.

The chip is going in my stomach and will go the way of food, in two or three days.

Still reading this thread, is making me wonder if I should cancel the surgery? :thinking

I am beginning to fear that I may be giving the "apperance" of evil, even tho, this micro chip, will not by itself pay for my surgery, nor can I go buy stuff or sell stuff with in ( in the 3 days it takes for it to go through my intestines and on out) .

No one at the hospital asked me to worship the anti-christ.

Inprayer's wife

[Mommytoa3rdgradeboy]

If for some reason under the Obama administration he makes this chip a requirement to recieve health care, food stamps, social security, acess to bank acounts etc I don't feel the people who get it would be recieving the "mark" it will have to be willingly known that your renouncing your faith in Christ. Just my opinion. Thoughts. Unless that is also part of it. Control. Renounce your faith or you wont be able to recieve any of these benefits. The chips that are already placed in newborns cannot be the "mark"
Wont the mark be given after the rapture anyway? Thoughts??

PERSONALLY, IF something like that would happen, THAT IN ITSELF would NOT be the Mark of the beast--BUT, I can definintley see that having a "chip" of some sort would be a way to track people down to enforce the mark. IN other words, their info. would already be readily available in their chip.

SOME people do not think that the mark will be a literal mark and some people don't think that it will be seen--PERSONALLY, I think it will be a LITERAL mark.

[Mommytoa3rdgradeboy]

Wow. That is something. Well, when they started chipping our kids and our pets, the slippery slope started. I refuse to have anything inserted or encrypted. What the catch is that they will make it so mainstream acceptable that even the very elect will have to be watching carefully.

Rose

Well, I think at first, the big "reason" to get people to get a chip (if it's done that way) would be to focus on all the lost pets that HAVE BEEN recovered solely because they have been chipped.

[Mommytoa3rdgradeboy]

:scratchI do not think that the "Mark" will be just a microchip in and of itself. It will have to somehow be associated with the Anti-Christ

"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666" (Rev. 13:16-18)."

That is also why I believe that this wont happen until after the Rapture, because no one will know who the AC is until then, and therefore you wont know your are taking his mark. I believe it will be crystal clear that the Mark you are taking identifies your allegiance to him, in more then just a national or patriotic way. It will signify a spiritual connection that signifies your decision against Christ.

I think it is also reasonable that this "marking" technology or system which controls buying or selling may already be in place prior to the "Mark". There is nothing to say that this "Mark" will be a unique new thing, other then this specific one will be unique in its label. I see no problem with what the AC does is to use the already established marking system, and apply his "name or the number of his name..."

Just my thoughts.:idunno

Very good answer--could very well play out just like that.

[Mommytoa3rdgradeboy]

I am having exploratory throat and stomach surgery.....
the reason I am mentioning this, is, part of the process, will be to place a "micro-chip" in my stomach!! :twitch

At first I was thinking MOB...but then they said it will go out of my system in approx 3 days.

It's purpose is to see what's going on with my stomach. Then it will move along and out of me like any other "food" stuff. I will wear a monitor, that will recieve recordings from the chip about the conditions in my stomach .
( like maybe too much acid in there etc.)

I agreed to it, but I in no way, am allowing it to be deposited in my stomach,as an alligence to the anti-christ.
Nor am I planning on "using" it for buying or selling.

I've been having chocking and swallowing problems for awhile and they are getting worse.
Perhaps, due to the fact, the arthritis spurs encircle my neck now.
I have the arthritis spurs in front, back and inside my neck pinching nerves.

But the chip thingy did give me pause for concern, but since I am not pledging alligence to anybody, but my Lord and Savior Jesus, I figured this chip for exploration only, would be okay.

Inprayer's wife

I really wouldn't worry about this. Remember, the mark will be a mark and people will be required to "worship" the AC, in some way.

[icebear]

Still reading this thread, is making me wonder if I should cancel the surgery? :thinking



no don't cancel anything. this is a medical tool, it is not in any way like the MOB.

[Mommytoa3rdgradeboy]

:fear that is crazy and to think some would say that Revalation is a book of metaphors and spiritual ideas not to be taken word for word. But I still do not think the MOB is in place because just a cursory view of Revalation shows the Church being called up in Chapter 4 and then judment on the inhabitants of earth to include the MOB but I agree that this could be a precursory tool perhaps to enforce the economics of not being able to buy sell or trade without the mark. Old movies that showed the end times that may have pointed out the MOB system often showed a person having to visually check for a mark before they could purchase much like checking for papers. This definately could be controlled globaly and so much more enhanced making it easier to be enforced

I don't think the MOB is "in place", but I do think the capability is here.

I feel like we need to be aware (at least, generally) so that we can warn any unsaved loved ones and friends of what NOT to do--take the mark.

[EndIsNear]

Still reading this thread, is making me wonder if I should cancel the surgery? :thinking


No. Not only has the AC not shown himself yet, but we know that you will have to take the Mark willing and knowingly anyway.

[*Rachel1234*]

And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed. And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.
(Rev 13:15-18)


The thing is, the two bold areas above are separated from each other by the word "and".

They are two different actions, and have two different consequences.





It says that without the Mark, you cannot buy or sell.

AND

It says that if you do not worship the Beast, you will be killed.






This leads me to believe that these are two separate things.

After all, what would be the point of denying someone the ability to buy and sell, if they're dead anyway? :scratch That would be meaningless.

The consequence of denying people the ability to buy and sell only makes sense if the people are ALIVE to experience the pain of that consequence.


Am I making sense to anyone else but me? :idunno



To me, the above scripture seems to be saying that there are TWO behaviors that will have TWO different punishments.

(1) No mark = no buying/selling
(2) No worship of Beast = Death
OR ....
(3) No Mark AND no worship of Beast = Death also (because of the no worship part)





Any thoughts?? Am I reading this wrong??? I'm open to correction - but it appears to me to be two different punishments here, and if they both end in death then why bother with the no buying/selling consequence since that person will be dead anyway???





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[Tres Wright]

To me, the above scripture seems to be saying that there are TWO behaviors that will have TWO different punishments.

(1) No mark = no buying/selling
(2) No worship of Beast = Death
OR ....
(3) No Mark AND no worship of Beast = Death also (because of the no worship part)


I understand your point and it does make sense based on that particular passage, but Rev 14 seems to indicate the two acts (worship and receiving the mark) are entertwined:


Revelation 14 9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

I think the difference in the two interpretations may be Satan's penalty versus God's. IE, under Satan's rules no worship = death, no mark = no trade. But under God's rules, those two acts result in eternal damnation.