Pre Adamic Race

[aftwine]

My pastor did a bible study on this, he forewarned that this is only his belief and that he encouraged us to investigate on our own.

I don't have the verses with me right off hand but i'm sure there is a wealth of information on it but, for those here how many take this as truth i'm curious to know. Also if you do believe this where do you get your evidence from.

It was the second time I heard about it, the first time I blew it off like bible codes and nonsense, but I truly respect my pastor and so without hanging on his words, i'm attempting to be like the Berean's and test this on my own.

[Beth O]

My pastor did a bible study on this, he forewarned that this is only his belief and that he encouraged us to investigate on our own.

I don't have the verses with me right off hand but i'm sure there is a wealth of information on it but, for those here how many take this as truth i'm curious to know. Also if you do believe this where do you get your evidence from.

It was the second time I heard about it, the first time I blew it off like bible codes and nonsense, but I truly respect my pastor and so without hanging on his words, i'm attempting to be like the Berean's and test this on my own.

This is a way some will try to fit old earth into the creation story. We don't have to do this. We can just trust God's Word!

This is the very beginning.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

[Paidfor]

First, I lean toward believing the gap theory (gap between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2). If you have never heard of this, it depends on translating the word that is translated as 'was' in Gen 1:2 as 'became'. So the earth became formless and void.

I once read on an internet site that this person or group believed in a race of spirit beings that existed pre-gap. Their doctrine was that we are all reincarnated from these spirit beings. I hope your pastor doesn't believe this.:yikes

I could see a pre-gap race. I can't think of anything biblical to support or deny it.

Do you know how your pastor supports this, or why he believes it? The only thing I can think of is that he is trying to explain how Cain and Seth found women for wives.

As far as a post Gen 1:2 race of people before Adam, I think it would contradict the Bible.

[Beth O]

First, I lean toward believing the gap theory (gap between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2). If you have never heard of this, it depends on translating the word that is translated as 'was' in Gen 1:2 as 'became'. So the earth became formless and void.

The book of Genesis is the most attacked book in the Bible.

Full article here
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/answersbook/gaptheory3.asp

This is just the first part of the article
Many people have tried to place a gap of indeterminate time between the first two verses of Genesis chapter 1. There are many different versions as to what supposedly happened in this ‘gap’ of time. Most versions of the ‘gap’ theory place millions of years of geologic time (including billions of fossil animals) in between these two first verses of Genesis. This is the ‘ruin-reconstruction’ version of the gap theory.

However, this undermines the gospel as it allows for death, bloodshed, disease, and suffering before Adam’s sin. Because most ‘ruin-reconstruction’ theorists have accepted the millions of years dating for the fossil record, they have thus allowed the fallible theories of scientists to determine the meaning of Scripture.

Some put the fall of Satan in this supposed period. But any rebellion of Satan during this gap of time contradicts God’s description of His completed creation on day six as all being ‘very good’ (Genesis 1:31).

All versions of the gap theory impose outside ideas on Scripture and thus open the door for further compromise.

These are the verses where there is supposed to be a gap:

‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form, and empty; and the darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters (Genesis 1:1-2).

[Beth O]

My pastor did a bible study on this, he forewarned that this is only his belief and that he encouraged us to investigate on our own.

I don't have the verses with me right off hand but i'm sure there is a wealth of information on it but, for those here how many take this as truth i'm curious to know. Also if you do believe this where do you get your evidence from.

It was the second time I heard about it, the first time I blew it off like bible codes and nonsense, but I truly respect my pastor and so without hanging on his words, i'm attempting to be like the Berean's and test this on my own.

You will find many answers here:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/index.asp

and bonus, the Word of God is not compromised!! :yay

[Hootmon]

I don't have the verses with me right off hand but i'm sure there is a wealth of information on it but, for those here how many take this as truth i'm curious to know. Also if you do believe this where do you get your evidence from.There is enough ambiguity in Scripture to allow for a 'pre-adamic race'.

Scripture says that Cain 'knew' his wife after he was banished from the vicinity of Eden into the land of Nod. This implies that Cain found his wife during his 'wanderings' there. Since he was the first child of A&E to go there, and no daughters of A&E were stated as being born yet.

In order to believe that Cain married a 'sister', you have to re-arrange the events as described in Scripture, or speculate on un-mentioned 'daughters' being born before Seth.

In any case, Scripture doesnt state the Cain's wife situation unambiguously.


It was the second time I heard about it, the first time I blew it off like bible codes and nonsense, but I truly respect my pastor and so without hanging on his words, i'm attempting to be like the Berean's and test this on my own.Just read Genesis 4 completely 'literally'.

Who in Nod would want to kill Cain? Cain didnt have any siblings left after killing Abel, and A&E didnt go into Nod with Cain.
When was A&E's first daughter born? Cain was already gone when Seth was born.

Stuff like that... A strictly literal reading doesnt quite give you the 'conventional' view.

[Beth O]

There is enough ambiguity in Scripture to allow for a 'pre-adamic race'.

Scripture says that Cain 'knew' his wife after he was banished from the vicinity of Eden into the land of Nod. This implies that Cain found his wife during his 'wanderings' there. Since he was the first child of A&E to go there, and no daughters of A&E were stated as being born yet.

In order to believe that Cain married a 'sister', you have to re-arrange the events as described in Scripture, or speculate on un-mentioned 'daughters' being born before Seth.

In any case, Scripture doesnt state the Cain's wife situation unambiguously.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Even if there were a pre-adamic race they would have all been destroyed.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.



Full article here:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Tools/cains_wife.asp

Just a couple quotes
Skeptics have used Cain’s wife time and again to try to discredit the book of Genesis as a true historical record. Sadly, most Christians have not been able to give an adequate answer to this question. As a result, the world thinks Christians cannot defend the authority of Scripture and, thus, the Christian faith.

Why is it important?

Many skeptics have claimed that, for Cain to find a wife, there must have been other ‘races’ of people on the Earth who were not descendants of Adam and Eve.

To many people, this question is a stumbling block to accepting the creation account in Genesis and its record of only one man and woman at the beginning of history—a record on which many Old and New Testament doctrines depend.

Defenders of the gospel must be able to show that all human beings are descendants of one man and one woman (Adam and Eve)—as only those people who are descendants of Adam and Eve can be saved. Thus, believers need to be able to account for Cain’s wife and show clearly that she was a descendant of Adam and Eve. (The relevant Bible passage is Genesis 4:1–5:5.)

Before we answer this question, we will first show how important it is to the meaning of the gospel.

If interested read more in the full article.

[Hootmon]

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Even if there were a pre-adamic race they would have all been destroyed. Im not referring to that particular view. Im an OEC, not a Gap-ist


Many skeptics have claimed that, for Cain to find a wife, there must have been other ‘races’ of people on the Earth who were not descendants of Adam and Eve. Scripture does seem to imply this if read strictly 'literally'.


To many people, this question is a stumbling block to accepting the creation account in Genesis and its record of only one man and woman at the beginning of history—a record on which many Old and New Testament doctrines depend. I dont see any reason to assume that the 'image' that God made man from was anything physical. After all, God is Spirit...


Defenders of the gospel must be able to show that all human beings are descendants of one man and one woman (Adam and Eve)—as only those people who are descendants of Adam and Eve can be saved. Thus, believers need to be able to account for Cain’s wife and show clearly that she was a descendant of Adam and Eve. (The relevant Bible passage is Genesis 4:1–5:5.)This 'requirement' is incorrect. Any decendants of Cain would likely have been destroyed in the Flood. Only decendants of Noah and his son's wives would have survived.

[AKJV1611]

My pastor did a bible study on this, he forewarned that this is only his belief and that he encouraged us to investigate on our own.

I don't have the verses with me right off hand but i'm sure there is a wealth of information on it but, for those here how many take this as truth i'm curious to know. Also if you do believe this where do you get your evidence from.

It was the second time I heard about it, the first time I blew it off like bible codes and nonsense, but I truly respect my pastor and so without hanging on his words, i'm attempting to be like the Berean's and test this on my own.

Exodus 20:11 For in (six days) the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore, the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

[Buzzardhut]

This was discussed at the

Nephilim Conference (http://www.buzzardhut.net/Neph.htm)

and the

Creation and Science Seminar (http://www.buzzardhut.net/index/htm/science.htm)