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OnceWasLost
August 26th, 2009, 09:40 AM
We mustn't allow the true Gospel message to be PERVERTED - scripture clearly teaches REPENTANCE - NO repentance = NO SALVATION or FORGIVENESS...


Mt 21:32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Lk 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Lk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Lk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Lk 10:13 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

Lk 11:32 The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Lk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Lk 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

Lk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

Lk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Lk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Lk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;


My goodness, could it be any CLEARER? :tsk


SHF <><

This post needs to be the one that guides the rest of the thread. A request was made to show where Jesus mentions repentance. Here are plenty, and Peter (One who certainly knew Jesus' mind on this matter) picks up the chronology in Acts.

This seems quite clear, and common sense would tell us that leaving our former life is necessary to grow in the new one. I am surprised this is even a topic with people on opposite sides. :scratch

SoundingtheAlarm
August 26th, 2009, 09:49 AM
This post needs to be the one that guides the rest of the thread. A request was made to show where Jesus mentions repentance. Here are plenty, and Peter (One who certainly knew Jesus' mind on this matter) picks up the chronology in Acts.

This seems quite clear, and common sense would tell us that leaving our former life is necessary to grow in the new one. I am surprised this is even a topic with people on opposite sides. :scratch


AMEN!!!:thumb

SoundingtheAlarm
August 26th, 2009, 09:52 AM
In an apostate hour such as this...where the Emergent Junk and the Osteen's easy believism...Sugar Daddy God is leading to the greatest apathy this nation has ever known and we are saying a ministry that's hitting the streets calling men and women everywhere to repent is a false gospel???????? :doh


I say God PLEASE PLEASE raise up more Ray Comfort's

carolina_guy
August 26th, 2009, 10:32 AM
This post needs to be the one that guides the rest of the thread. A request was made to show where Jesus mentions repentance. Here are plenty, and Peter (One who certainly knew Jesus' mind on this matter) picks up the chronology in Acts.

This seems quite clear, and common sense would tell us that leaving our former life is necessary to grow in the new one. I am surprised this is even a topic with people on opposite sides. :scratch

And all threads regarding repentance. :thumb

Joyb0218
August 26th, 2009, 10:55 AM
I posted this in the Repentance thread, but I am going to post it here too.

We should all be in agreement with this. There should be no division regarding repentance.

Acts 17:30 | And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent.

carolina_guy
August 26th, 2009, 11:43 AM
EI,

Because of your teaching that there is no necessity for one to repent as has been described in many posts here and elsewhere, and you denying there is a need for one to acknowledge they are a sinner in need of a Savior...

we are asking you to restrict your posts to Apologetics only.

m2pinggggggg
August 26th, 2009, 12:29 PM
I'm not sure I understand what your saying...




No, Kirk Cameron gave his story of how God saved him, and as far as I've ever heard, has no connection with Rick Warren.. Having gone through the series, they also mention Joel Olsteen by name, speaking clearly that using those types of "methods" are not bibical..

The people who falsely call them "legalist" don't understand the use of the law.. A legalist would be someone who says earn salvation via the law.. They preach, despit what some claim, that you can't keep the law..which is why they need Christ...

It is mirrored from scripture...
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I've found by experience, that people who claim this is legalism, often do so because they live in sin, and don't want to feel guilty over it...

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.



Dan~~~>doesn't think your in disagreement

You're right. My thoughts about Ray and Kirk...all evidence points to both being born again men of God. My thoughts on the conference...men meeting with men that know Christ as their Savior. My displeasure...Ravi and Johnny being in error with dabblings in Spiritual Formation theology. Again as evidenced in their witness to Christ being in their life, their fruits, their service, I have just love as with any brother or sister that share the same Holy Spirit. About Kirk's salvation happening at Saddleback, I had read that online. After realizing that many Christians have come to a life in Christ in many Churches.. they in time continue to grow in Christ, and realize that they must move on to more correct doctrine and to a more truthful belief page that is supported by the Bible. Another displeasure...would be the cliche words that are being spit out by SF pastors. The SF words clearly relate to an added handbook that takes away from the Bible. Those words I heard last week in a Christian Missionary Alliance Church would be words like deeper, relevant, spiritual journey, Rick Warren. These words are post-modern, and might not offend the majority in congregations. But once you start investigating the differences we have with this counter (Re) Formation infusion to most denominations, it make's your blood boil. Thank you for keepin abreast of how God is working with the ministry of Ray and Kirk! You clearly have a handle on what that is, and how it is happening. I'll track down the bio on Kirk, and see if what I said about where salvation came to Kirk, hopefully without spending 19.95. :thumb

javamaven
August 26th, 2009, 06:12 PM
Seriously though, I know what you mean sometimes it does seem a bit too "scripted". The good news however, is that regardless of anyone's personal delivery of the truth the Lord will ALWAYS honor His Word. ;)

Thanks for the reply...and speaking of Ray's delivery, he most often will not answer a direct question and instead replies with lots of words without yielding an answer. I find this frustrating along with his constant referrals to his own publications, with only an occasional token reference to Bible passages. Something about him doesn't add up :nope

As you also said, the Bible itself will lead the way - that's the true path of the Word. Real and direct answers from the true source. :scripture

Mailman Dan
August 26th, 2009, 09:05 PM
Those words I heard last week in a Christian Missionary Alliance Church would be words like deeper, relevant, spiritual journey, Rick Warren. These words are post-modern, and might not offend the majority in congregations. But once you start investigating the differences we have with this counter (Re) Formation infusion to most denominations, it make's your blood boil.

O ya, I hear you on that, but their thoelogy if far, far from Ricks, and men like Joel.. Someone else mentioned they didn't like the name of their "Deeper" conference, but the word was not used in that context...


I'll track down the bio on Kirk, and see if what I said about where salvation came to Kirk, hopefully without spending 19.95.

LOL.. You won't spend a dime.. Almost all of their audios are free online.. Kirk talks about his salvation in hell's best kept secret..and you can find most of their videos and training materials on youtube...

But if you want to test their theology, read the tracts they have on their site.. Some areshort, but it's because of the size of the tract, others, like "Why Christianity" are some of the best, to be used in conversations.. They also have different ideas on what a tract is used for.. They see them as "ice breakers" to start a conversation, some see them as something just to drop and run...

Dan~~~>understands both sides

Mailman Dan
August 26th, 2009, 09:09 PM
Something about him doesn't add up



What (bibical) error do you think he is making? BTW, the video clips always link back to their source, so people can find them if they stumble on it via youtube and want to hear more about the gospel... or just curse at them.
:lol2


Dan~~~>never been flawless himself though..