Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

[Leialoha]

Yeah. A conservative American member of Congress that agrees with her far-left thesis would be fine. Or any conservative at all that's on record.


With ALL her points? I thought you meant name someone who was against the patriot act and the indulgences of presidential action without congressional support. Would Constitutional Party members count? They are more conservative than Republicats -- err I mean republicans.

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With ALL her points? I thought you meant name someone who was against the patriot act and the indulgences of presidential action without congressional support. Would Constitutional Party members count? They are more conservative than Republicats -- err I mean republicans.


Now you people are trying to twist YOUR own words...that's even a tougher row to hoe.

I will reiterate: show me a mainstream conservative who would with Naomi Wolf's left-wing drivel. I am NOT talking about paleoconsevatives, but I might as well be.

The far right has a problem with the Patriot Act, that's the only point of agreence for the Soros crowd. Show me a Constitutional Party member that thinks America's a "fascist state", there are none.

Obfuscate?

So you're a disenchanted former "Republicrat" that's leapt into marxism? You use all those dubious terms....

[zizi]

I will reiterate: show me a mainstream conservative who would with Naomi Wolf's left-wing drivel. I am NOT talking about paleoconsevatives, but I might as well be.

Will you consider a Goldwater conservative mainstream? Define mainstream conservative. Your list and mine may differ; I don't want to step in it.

[Leialoha]

Now you people are trying to twist YOUR own words...that's even a tougher row to hoe.

I will reiterate: show me a mainstream conservative who would with Naomi Wolf's left-wing drivel. I am NOT talking about paleoconsevatives, but I might as well be.

The far right has a problem with the Patriot Act, that's the only point of agreence for the Soros crowd. Show me a Constitutional Party member that thinks America's a "fascist state", there are none.

Obfuscate?

So you're a disenchanted former "Republicrat" that's leapt into marxism? You use all those dubious terms....

You determined a lot about my political stance from one post...:scratch Marxism? Have you looked at the Constitution Party platform? That is my party.

I really did misunderstand what you were looking for. I would not be able to name a conservative that agreed that we are CURRENTLY living in a facist state.

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zizi...this is the Goldwater conservative:

http://www.nationalcenter.org/Goldwater.html

there are a few, mostly in the South, that are conservative democrats, still a bunch of republicans are, and the constitutional party is full of them.

I'd say "conservative" is to the right of Rudy Giuliani, and your thoughts?


You determined a lot about my political stance from one post...:scratch Marxism? Have you looked at the Constitution Party platform? That is my party.

I really did misunderstand what you were looking for. I would not be able to name a conservative that agreed that we are CURRENTLY living in a facist state.

My apologies, then. HR 1592 IS a borderline fascist bill to me.

I'm somewhat familiar with the CP, I'm still TRYING not to bolt from the GOP, all I was trying to say is that the OP article was far-far-far-left and that it was only something you'd find from the CP-USA.

I'm sure you have the link, but I've gtg so:

http://constitutionparty.com/
http://www.cpusa.org/

My sympathies are far more with that ^ first link that far, Wolf with # 2.

[Leialoha]

zizi...this is the Goldwater conservative:

http://www.nationalcenter.org/Goldwater.html

there are a few, mostly in the South, that are conservative democrats, still a bunch of republicans are, and the constitutional party is full of them.

I'd say "conservative" is to the right of Rudy Giuliani, and your thoughts?




My apologies, then. HR 1592 IS a borderline fascist bill to me.

I'm somewhat familiar with the CP, I'm still TRYING not to bolt from the GOP, all I was trying to say is that the OP article was far-far-far-left and that it was only something you'd find from the CP-USA.

I'm sure you have the link, but I've gtg so:

http://constitutionparty.com/
http://www.cpusa.org/

My sympathies are far more with that ^ first link that far, Wolf with # 2.

I didn't leave the GOP lightly. I hope that they have a revolution in the party and it serves the people like it used to.

[Leialoha]

Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:

1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.

[Indiana Janz]

Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:

1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.

Well I can see why they keep getting mistaken for leftists. :rolleyes

It should be noted that it has been a dream of successive administrations of both political stripes to have this kind of power. Clinton was no better. He just couldn't get the legislation passed.

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You, IJ, were the one mistaking the two. The PA will be up again before long, maybe then the moonbats in Congress will let it expire and keep investigating anything that moves when poked by a sharp stick. And the Speaker can go negotiate worrld peace some more with terrorist nations. :rolleyes

American politics, the extremes have some things in common, but your article was definately far-left fringe territory. And Hillary Clinton's unelectable.

I didn't leave the GOP lightly. I hope that they have a revolution in the party and it serves the people like it used to.


Yep, I've toyed with the idea, I've been so entrenched in the GOP - roots going back to the founding of the GOP. The Democrat Pary is the loopy left, we are the less loopy-left.

But now we're lost, and Giuliani is electable if he can get past the primaries.

(barf)

[Indiana Janz]

You, IJ, were the one mistaking the two. The PA will be up again before long, maybe then the moonbats in Congress will let it expire and keep investigating anything that moves when poked by a sharp stick. And the Speaker can go negotiate worrld peace some more with terrorist nations. :rolleyes

American politics, the extremes have some things in common, but your article was definately far-left fringe territory. And Hillary Clinton's unelectable.

I think I acknowledged the article's leftish roots in the OP. It's not who's saying it, but what they are saying. Every point Wolf makes is, to varying degrees, true.

As far as the Patriot Act, I am willing to bet every cent I ever have a hope of making that it will never be let to lapse, and if it does, it will only be so they can substitute something even more invasive of personal liberty.