Support for pretrib rapture

[Comeuphither]

I tend to agree with you, however, I do not know if the hatred of Israel is the root cause of the hatred of the pre-trib position. I find that most people look at me like I am crazy when I say that our God loves us enough to save us from the coming calamity. I think most unsaved people cant wrap their head around the idea of millions and millions of people disappearing in an instant. But the reason most saved non-pretribbers dont believe in the pre-trib rapture is either because a) they dont fully believe/understand the power of the cross, b) they feel inadequate that they need to be purified by the trib to obtain salvation, or c) they dont understand/believe in the different dispensations (which seems to be what you are arguing). The reason I dont think the misunderstanding of dispensationalism is the most prominent cause for the hatred of the pre-trib position is because if you were to go up and ask 10 Christians what "dispensationalism" meant, probably more than 9 out of 10 would just glare back at you with an empty look on their face.....because they've never even heard of the word.

I would argue that the hatred of the pre-trib position comes more from the fact that it has been 2000 years and no 2nd Coming yet. Even Christians are saying, " 'Where is this coming he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.' " IMO, I feel 2 Peter 3:4 has more to do with it than dispensationalism.

But I absolutely agree with you that the hatred of Israel is shaping the theology of the church today......great observation!

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Great post JesusIsLord! I agree with your above comments. :hat

[skypair]

I ran into a post-tribber the other day that straight up told me I was going to Hell for being pre-trib. Said I was deceived by doctrines of demons and all hope was lost for me unless I turned post-trib. :ohno
And SDA no doubt.

skypair

[random dude]

yeah, we need to be brothers in Christ regardless of our position. there are people that bash pre-tribbers, but an equal amount of people that bash post-tribbers. We just need to realize that Jesus doesn't love any of us more whether were pre or post. We're all part of the kingdom of God-- brothers in Christ:). We need to learn to respectfully disagree with people that hold differing eschatological views, and instead, focus on what we have in common.

[skypair]

yeah, we need to be brothers in Christ regardless of our position. there are people that bash pre-tribbers, but an equal amount of people that bash post-tribbers. We just need to realize that Jesus doesn't love any of us more whether were pre or post. We're all part of the kingdom of God-- brothers in Christ:). We need to learn to respectfully disagree with people that hold differing eschatological views, and instead, focus on what we have in common.

Nice to see a postie coming around to examine us preebies. :hat I think here at RR you will learn that the postrib resurrection is of the OT saints (Job 14:12-14, 19:25-28, Psa 50:3-5, Dan 12:2, Isa 26:19-21, Ezek 37:11-14, Rom 11:26, Mt 13:44) to the earthly kingdom of Messiah, but that the church is to be RAPTURED pretrib to heaven to "ever be with the Lord" in the eternal kingdom.

IOW, there are 2 "programs" of God: 1 for Israel and another 1 for the church.

skypair

[im4Jesus]

I'd have to agree with this statement:

"I think that a large number of non-pre-tribbers haven't yet accepted that our debts are paid in full. For some reason there is a group that feels like we cannot be exempt from the tribulation because they haven't come to terms with exactly what Jesus has done for us.

To add my own two cents worth, I think non-pre-tribbers don't understand grace (not that I'm claiming to fully understand it myself). However, I do think a pre-trib vs. other trib. view is closely tied to one's understanding/view of God and the finished work of Christ!

I've seen a lot of vehemence from post-tribbers because they think that pre-tribbers want to "avoid suffering." It's almost as if they believe you are somehow "holier" if you suffer. That, of course, is nonsense! Christ's death has already killed the unholy, dead-to-God, unrighteous sinner-people that we once were. When Christ was resurrected, we were resurrected with Him as new creations in Christ Jesus--as holy, righteous, acceptable-to-God SAINTS.

Many believers don't understand that truth, and so they think that we must "work to retain our salvation," "suffer to purify ourselves," and "endure tribulation to deserve God's gifts." All to which I say: AS IF!

This makes a lot of sense to me too. A lot of professing Christians aspire to the works theology. They believe you have to be a good person, doing good works, to get to heaven instead of trusting Jesus to forgive them for their sins.

[foodisrx]

Hatred of pre-trib should never be a test of fellowship with other believers.

We should not hate one another because of our view of the timing of
the rapture or second coming of Christ.

Maybe, we should remember to agree to be agreeable although we may disagree on non essentials views.


I have been studying prophecy since the mid 60's, grew up in a church that taught very little prophecy. I also attended a christian school. The attitude back then was "we can agree to disagree" and "let's not let this divide the body."

This attitude has definitely changed in a major way. I don't encounter too many pretrib/rapture adherents that make a personal attack on the oppposite viewpoint; mostly just shrug their shoulders, and have a, "you're in for a nice surprise" attitude. (There have been a few exceptions, not many)

The vast major of people I have encountered in the last 10 years that don't subscribe to dispensationism/rapture theory make it a VERY personal, vehement attack on those who disagree. Just check some of the "christian" websites that opposite it, very, very ugly. There is NO WAY to just agree to disagree with these people.

It seems so strange after decades of peaceful co-existence to see such hatred and anger.

[Trust&Obey]

The movies posted on this site were great. Sure helped me to get it. :yeah

Watch them!

http://www.rr-bb.com/showpost.php?p=1083069&postcount=1
http://www.rr-bb.com/showpost.php?p=1177653&postcount=1

Thanks, Kate! I watched a Distant Thunder last night. Being a church kid in the 70's (and a Christian) I saw A Thief in the Night and that final image at the dam stuck with me!! I remember wanting to make sure I would not be left behind.

Watching the 2nd one last night, I was struck with the relevancy and the quality Biblical presentations concerning prophecy (not necessarily the quality of the film). I'm told there are 2 more and one on the way. The third is "Image of the Beast" and the fourth is "Prodical Planet". Both are on youtube.

:candle

[ibTina]

A pastor friend of mine has no idea when the rapture is supposed to take place - pre, mid, or post. He's not hostile toward pre-tribbers, but he's confused. He says that when any of them make the case for their point of view - they're all convincing. They all have scripture to back themselves up.
What that tells me is that he doesn't understand the difference between tribulation and persecution...and Tribulation with a big T and the Wrath of God. And that tells me that he doesn't understand Israel's role in prophecy - he's a...what do you call it...he believes in replacement theology - that the church replaced Israel for good.
He says that if the rapture happens before the Tribulation then that's great. But he doesn't want to count on it and thinks that the pre-tribbers will be caught unprepared if the rapture happens mid or post. He's ready to lose his head for his faith. How pleasantly surprised he will be when he's taken up.


The bolded area ...this is where some folk would argue for the pre-wrath version of the rapture .. as they believe that the rapture happens before the wrath of God and that the WOG is a different time then the whole 7 year Tribulation period.

[Trust&Obey]

Well...I'm an unashamed pre-trib, pre-mill dispensationalist Christian, myself. Maranatha!
:announce

[Rhon]

I happen to be one who believes what is said in Matthew about 2 in the field and 1 is take as pertaining to the Rapture. Very well done by Hal. :thumb


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