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carolina_guy
September 17th, 2009, 10:21 AM
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Article XIII. THE HOLY SPIRIT & SPIRITUAL GIFTS

The Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the blessed Trinity, though omnipresent from all eternity, took up His abode in the world in a special sense on the day of Pentecost according to the divine promise, dwells in every believer, and by His baptism unites all to Jesus Christ in one body, and that He, as the Indwelling One, is the source of all power and all acceptable worship and service. We believe that He never takes His departure from the church, nor from the feeblest of the saints, but is ever present to testify of Jesus Christ; seeking to occupy believers with Him and not with themselves nor with their experiences. We believe that His abode in the world in this special sense will cease when Jesus Christ comes to receive His own at the completion of the church (John 14:16–17; 16:7–15; 1 Cor. 6:19; Eph. 2:22; 2 Thess. 2:7).

In this age, certain well-defined ministries are committed to the Holy Spirit, and that it is the duty of every Christian to understand them and to be adjusted to them in his own life and experience. These ministries are the restraining of evil in the world to the measure of the divine will; the convicting of the world respecting sin, righteousness, and judgment; the regenerating of all believers; the indwelling and anointing of all who are saved, thereby sealing them unto the day of redemption; the baptizing into the one body of Jesus Christ of all who are saved; and the continued filling for power, teaching, and service of those among the saved who are yielded to Him and who are subject to His will (John 3:6; 16:7–11; Rom. 8:9; 1 Cor. 12:13; Eph. 4:30; 5:18; 2 Thess. 2:7; 1 John 2:20–27).

Some gifts of the Holy Spirit such as speaking in tongues and miraculous healings were temporary. Speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism nor of the filling of the Spirit, and that the deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection (Acts 4:8, 31; Rom. 8:23; 1 Cor. 13:8).

This is a highly controversial issue here, and in order to save you some grief, sjgaither, I am going to close the thread. I am happy for this new stage in your life, but the thread will likely turn into a huge argument. I hope you understand. :hug

savedbygracethrufaith
September 25th, 2009, 12:51 PM
Moderators, If I have posted this in the wrong area please move. Thanks!

My daughter has moved to another city and is attending a Calvary Assembly of God. In order to verify their scriptural beliefs, I found a page on their website that gives the 16 Fundamental Truths About the Assemblies of God.

One of them causes me to pause and I am hoping for a more thorough explanation.


8. WE BELIEVE...The Initial Physical Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is ‘Speaking in Tongues,’ as experienced on the Day of Pentecost and referenced throughout Acts and the Epistles.

Can anyone expound on this?

Hootmon
September 25th, 2009, 01:00 PM
Calvary Assembly of GodYou sure about that name?

'Assembly of God' and 'Calvary Chapel' are two different organizations.

Christina
September 25th, 2009, 01:04 PM
Moderators, If I have posted this in the wrong area please move. Thanks!

My daughter has moved to another city and is attending a Calvary Assembly of God. In order to verify their scriptural beliefs, I found a page on their website that gives the 16 Fundamental Truths About the Assemblies of God.

One of them causes me to pause and I am hoping for a more thorough explanation.

Can anyone expound on this?

All they're saying is that they believe that being baptized by the Spirit is physically evidenced by speaking in tongues. Not that the Holy Spirit only resides in those that speak in tongues but they see this "baptizing by the Holy Spirit" as something seperate from the Holy Spirit coming to reside in you the moment you're saved...rather a "gift" bestowed upon the believer.

We attend a Pentacostal (Assembly of God) church and I talked to the Pastor about this and the above was his "explanation".

savedbygracethrufaith
September 25th, 2009, 01:10 PM
Hootman, yes that's their name located in Fayetteville, NC. Sounded strange to me too.

Christina, so are they saying that all believers that are baptized with the Holy Spirit will evidence that by speaking in tongues? (So if you don't/haven't speak/spoken in tongues you have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit? )

Also, are they differentiating the indwelling (sealing) of the believer by the Holy Spirit with the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Christina
September 25th, 2009, 01:16 PM
Hootman, yes that's their name located in Fayetteville, NC. Sounded strange to me too.

Christina, so are they saying that all believers that are baptized with the Holy Spirit will evidence that by speaking in tongues? (So if you don't/haven't speak/spoken in tongues you have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit? )

Also, are they differentiating the indwelling (sealing) of the believer by the Holy Spirit with the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

The bolded part is what they're doing. They believe that you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit the moment you become saved but that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a "gift" given to the believer. Basically, if you believe in it you will be baptized by the Spirit and it will be physically evidenced by speaking in tongues.

WalkTheLine
September 25th, 2009, 01:22 PM
Assembly of God denomination believe in and teach the motivational gifts found in Romans 12:6-8, the manifestation gifts of the Spirit found in 1 Corinthians 12:7-10 and the pastoral/leadership gifts of Ephesians 4:11-12.

They don't believe or teach that if you don't exhibit or believe in the manifestation gifts you are not saved. These gifts are not a salvation issue.

They differ in the interpretation of manifestation gifts as opposed to denominations that teach these ceased to function at the end of the apostolic period. The difference is centered on the text of 1 Corinthians 13:9-10. Some teach that the perfect to come is the completion of the Bible, the full text of the 66 books we know today. Other see the perfect that is to come is Christ Himelf upon His return we will be like Him and because we will be like Him then we will no longer need these gifts.

Christina
September 25th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Assembly of God denomination believe in and teach the motivational gifts found in Romans 12:6-8, the manifestation gifts of the Spirit found in 1 Corinthians 12:7-10 and the pastoral/leadership gifts of Ephesians 4:11-12.

They don't believe or teach that if you don't exhibit or believe in the manifestation gifts you are not saved. These gifts are not a salvation issue.

They differ in the interpretation of manifestation gifts as opposed to denominations that teach these ceased to function at the end of the apostolic period. The difference is centered on the text of 1 Corinthians 13:9-10. Some teach that the perfect to come is the completion of the Bible, the full text of the 66 books we know today. Other see the perfect that is to come is Christ Himelf upon His return we will be like Him and because we will be like Him then we will no longer need these gifts.

You say it so well WTL :thumb

Lucinda
September 25th, 2009, 04:54 PM
The edification of tongues.
Some churches,mostly charismatic churches teach that when one receives the Holy Spirit as proof(so to speak) they will receive the edification of tongues,a prayer language.
Now edification of tongues is not the same as the gift of tongues.One might become concerned if the church teach that unless one has received the edification of tongues they do not have the Holy Spirit.Believe it or not,some church of God assemblies teach until one receives the edification of tongues they do not have the Holy Spirit.

McDutch
September 25th, 2009, 05:02 PM
The edification of tongues.
Some churches,mostly charismatic churches teach that when one receives the Holy Spirit as proof(so to speak) they will receive the edification of tongues,a prayer language.
Now edification of tongues is not the same as the gift of tongues.One might become concerned if the church teach that unless one has received the edification of tongues they do not have the Holy Spirit.Believe it or not,some church of God assemblies teach until one receives the edification of tongues they do not have the Holy Spirit.

I have been curious about this and you might consider it silly to ask, as far as the Glossolalia phenomenon:
Is a person speaking in tongues viewed to be channeling some ancient Semitic biblical language, i guess you may put it as a form of Xenoglossy? or are they viewed to be simply as the phrase suggests channeling a spirit which causes them to speak in a tongue that is "not human" or divine?