PDA

View Full Version : Speaking In Tongues?



Pages : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 [137] 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183

iSong6:3
January 3rd, 2010, 02:20 PM
I appreciate what you are saying, bigd, but I don't think the word "paraclete" in reference to the Holy Spirit has the exact meaning of "advocating us to Jesus, Who advocates us before the Father."

Jesus alone is referred to as our Advocate.

1 John 2

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


The Holy Spirit is our Comforter and comes along beside us to help us live the Christian life ("paraclete"), but Jesus is our only Advocate. We need no other. :thumb

Christina
January 3rd, 2010, 04:57 PM
The Holy Spirit is our Comforter and comes along beside us to help us live the Christian life ("paraclete"), but Jesus is our only Advocate. We need no other. :thumb

:thumb

I have a question for the OP...can you give an example of what your referring to? I attend a Pentecostal church and although they believe in the speaking in tongues and are more "physical" than your Fundamental Baptist...lol, I have yet to ever see anyone ever praying TO the Holy Spirit...:candle

IveSeenEvil
January 3rd, 2010, 07:25 PM
I have just finished doing a full word search on "Holy Spirit" at Biblegateway.com and as I expected cannot find a single reference anywhere to anyone in the Scriptures praying to the Holy Spirit.

The reason I am asking about this is that just about all Christians I know that attend Pentecostal/Charismatic churches regularly Pray to the Holy Spirit.
Interestingly I have never felt led by GOD to do this.
The fact that Jesus said "No-one comes to the Father but through me" possibly explains it to me why.

So the questions would be "Is it Wrong?" and "Does it cause Harm?" if someone prays to the Holy Spirit.

Every scripture reference I found mentions either Baptism in The Holy Spirit, Gifts of the Spirit such as Tongues and Prophecy, The Holy Spirit as a Comforter, but nothing about praying to The Holy Spirit.

If We are not told to do so in the Scriptures then this must surely be something that has been made up by the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?

Any answers would be appreciated thanks. :)

I like your question !!!!!

bigd
January 3rd, 2010, 11:35 PM
Imperious is correct. Nowehre in Scripture does it say to pray to the Holy Spirit. Praying TO the Holy Spirit is not a Biblical doctrine anymore than praying to angels, the dead or the virgin Mary. All glory, honor and praise is directed to the Father. The Son and Spirit place themselves under the Father's authority. Praying to the Spirit usurps the authority of the Father and Son. The subordination of the Holy Spirit to the authority of the Father and Son does not detract from the divine essence or glory of the Holy Spirit. The Father sends the Son and the Holy Spirit. (JN 14:16; 15:26; 16:27) The Son sends the Holy Spirit, but not the Father. The Spirit never sends the Father or the Son.

Since those who possess the gift of tongues say they are practicing it, I assume it is per Scripture. Not all receive this gift and it is not a gift such a pastor, evangelist, teacher. God bestows it as necessary, therefore, one cannot say, "I am a card carrying member with the gift of tongues." It is important that it is done Scripturally. "If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." (1COR 14:27-28) If it is not done in this manner, it is not from God. It must be orderly and always with an interpreter.
MARANATHA

bigd
January 3rd, 2010, 11:41 PM
I appreciate what you are saying, bigd, but I don't think the word "paraclete" in reference to the Holy Spirit has the exact meaning of "advocating us to Jesus, Who advocates us before the Father."

Jesus alone is referred to as our Advocate.

1 John 2

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


The Holy Spirit is our Comforter and comes along beside us to help us live the Christian life ("paraclete"), but Jesus is our only Advocate. We need no other. :thumb


OK

imperious
January 4th, 2010, 03:24 AM
Thanks for the replies everyone, much appreciated.

I don't think anyone is going to suffer eternal punishment or anything like that for Praying to the Holy Spirit, after all the Holy Spirit is GOD, probably more like GOD simply doesn't work that way.
I wouldn't place it in the same bracket as praying to Mary, the saints, or anyone other than the Father and the Son as the Catholic Church and other cults wrongly teach.

The fact of the matter is my Church is Holy Spirit obsessed, to the point where it is not uncommon to hear more about the Holy Spirit than Jesus.
Please don't think for a microsecond that I am of the anti "gifts of the spirit" crowd,as the Word clearly states that Prophecy, Tongues, etc are legitimate things to have in the Church, only when there are witnesses to verify and translate what is being said.

I'd almost certainly open up a can of worms if I challenged the Leadership on this issue, but am of the opinion that the Church has lost the balance of Worship, Teaching, and evidence of the Holy Spirit that all churches should have.
At the other end of the scale I know that there are Christians out there that don't believe God Heals the sick, and certainly would protest if anyone dared to speak in tongues, or bring a Prophetic word.

Balance is what is missing in most Churches nowdays, no wonder the Devil is running rampant in these last days.

Christina
January 4th, 2010, 08:40 AM
Imperious is correct. Nowehre in Scripture does it say to pray to the Holy Spirit. Praying TO the Holy Spirit is not a Biblical doctrine anymore than praying to angels, the dead or the virgin Mary. All glory, honor and praise is directed to the Father. The Son and Spirit place themselves under the Father's authority. Praying to the Spirit usurps the authority of the Father and Son. The subordination of the Holy Spirit to the authority of the Father and Son does not detract from the divine essence or glory of the Holy Spirit. The Father sends the Son and the Holy Spirit. (JN 14:16; 15:26; 16:27) The Son sends the Holy Spirit, but not the Father. The Spirit never sends the Father or the Son.

Since those who possess the gift of tongues say they are practicing it, I assume it is per Scripture. Not all receive this gift and it is not a gift such a pastor, evangelist, teacher. God bestows it as necessary, therefore, one cannot say, "I am a card carrying member with the gift of tongues." It is important that it is done Scripturally. "If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." (1COR 14:27-28) If it is not done in this manner, it is not from God. It must be orderly and always with an interpreter.
MARANATHA

Little correction, those who claim to speak in tongues aren't praying TO the Spirit, they are praying IN the Spirit, 2 different things.

Waiting4Jesus
January 4th, 2010, 12:19 PM
I go to an Assembly of god (Pentecostal) church sometimes...and sometimes I go to a Baptist church.

In the AG church (and many other AG churches I've attended when traveling), I have NEVER heard of anyone praying to the Holy Spirit. You are to PRAY ONLY TO JESUS.

savedbygracethrufaith
January 4th, 2010, 04:03 PM
I go to an Assembly of god (Pentecostal) church sometimes...and sometimes I go to a Baptist church.

In the AG church (and many other AG churches I've attended when traveling), I have NEVER heard of anyone praying to the Holy Spirit. You are to PRAY ONLY TO JESUS.

In the model prayer, Jesus tells us to pray to the Father. Is it any more or less wrong to pray TO Jesus than it is to pray TO the Holy Spirit?

Christina
January 4th, 2010, 04:07 PM
I too attend a Pentecostal church and we pray to God the Father, not to the Holy Spirit and not to Jesus. I'm still trying to get an example of praying to the Holy Spirit from the OP :thinking