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May 5th, 2008, 05:44 PM
Perry Stone has had fellowship with false teachers who espouse false doctrine.
While he may have some interesting takes on interpreting prophecy and the like, I do not believe that in and of itself allows one to support a person who has espoused false prophecies and continues to fellowship with false teachers and doctrines.
You may want to consider just staying in the Word for it is sufficient. You are not missing anything by not attending the conference -- in fact -- you are most definitely, at a minimum, protecting yourself from any taint of unbiblical teaching or fellowship.
The line is being drawn in the sand, on which side do you want to be?
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
I pretty much stopped watching Perry Stone after he talked positively about "Brother Oral Roberts" - yes, he called Oral Roberts "Brother". That's when the red flags started going up for me and after I saw he was on Paula White's program there was no doubt in my mind that he's not someone I should be watching or listening to.
May 5th, 2008, 05:52 PM
There are no new revelations in the Word? We know it all? There is nothing new to learn in the Word? Every layer, every precept has been discerned and learned?
The more you dig, the more depth we learn about the known truths. Scripture will never contradict what it clearly states.
May 5th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Tennbear: A couple of questions for you
As opposed to prematurely speaking out against someone, based on gossip, hearsay, etc. PRIOR to approaching them privately about the rumor, etc.
When it comes to clearly documented teaching IN PRINT, which is CLEARLY IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN,
Are we unable to follow biblical directives to discern, challenge, expose, and oppose false teaching UNTIL obtaining a private appointment with the author?
Suppose , say, 20 million faithful believers are alarmed at the dangers and hypocrisy in Benny Hinn's teachings, "sermons," and shows, does each of the 20 million need to succeed in being granted an appointment with Hinn before being able to say anything about Him?
A few years ago, there was a province called GALATIA, where the local
leaders, although talking frequently about Jesus this, Jesus that, etc. had twisted and contorted the gospel so severely that it was becoming unrecognizeable.
There was some really determined, and upset guy who wrote them a stinging letter, calling them foolish, and this upset guy even had the nerve to tell them that if they didn't get back to his version of the gospel he preached, that they should be cursed!!
And, this guy wrote that harsh letter before even talking with them privately! Do you think this guy should've first tried to learn a thing or two about Jesus first?
I was alarmed by the teachings of Anton Lavay of the First Church of Satan, in San Francisco. I guess, since I couldn't get an appointment to have a little heart to heart with him, I had no right to challenged his junk?
May 5th, 2008, 08:24 PM
Amen!!! Exellent advice. I am somewhat concerned about the so called prophecies that Perry throws out and promotes, especially those were he says his Father predicted events, etc. :rolleyes
However, as some have noted he does have some very good Jewish teachings and seems knowledgable on alot of the background of Jewish things. I'd be careful, keep the good, disregard the junk, and seek prayer from God on his teachings. :thumb
Planting "Love sead's" on feast day's will equal a +100 percent return. That me told me all I needed to know.
May 5th, 2008, 09:03 PM
There is not one Pastor/Evangelist that I completely agree with on all aspects of the Bible. It is up to each individual to discern and compare against scripture. Having said that be just as careful from taking advice from some of the "Monday morning quarterbacks" on this or any message board. Always take statements and line it up with scripture says and discern for yourself.
Perry Stone does some very good studies on the Hebraic roots of Christianity and does some very good studies on Biblical prophecy. His views on the Holy Spirit are from a Pentecostal point of view and he isn't really a WOFer but does hold to the "Latter Rain" movement.
I have personally got some very good teaching from Perry Stone but I do not agree with the Latter Rain movement that he supports. He is very humble and he has actually distanced himself from the Paula Whites of the world as of late.
I give him an overall thumbs up!
May 5th, 2008, 09:27 PM
he has actually distanced himself from the Paula Whites of the world as of late.
Posted on Stone's site today:
Just Signed with Strang Communications
Many of our viewers and readers are familiar with CHARISMA MAGAZINE, a Christian publication published by Stephen Strang. For several years, Mr. Strang has asked me about working with him to publish and distribute several books to the major Christian book stores and secular book markets. After several years, I felt a release in my spirit to sign a special three year book contract with Strang Communications. The first book will be released in September of this year.
Charisma is basically a WOF fan magazine.
Strang promotes the circus.
May 5th, 2008, 09:38 PM
when you think of all the people this stuff harms, hurts, or steals from... those they take advantage of with their false prophesies, give-to-get claims, and seed money planting...
you become less likely to just gloss over their gross misrepresentation of the gospel of our Lord Jesus and less likely to accuse those who are berean and give warnings about such, as being judgemental.
May 5th, 2008, 10:38 PM
So Tenbear, according to what your saying is that we should not be critical of anyones teaching? Your grieved because we compare what they say against God's Word? Funny how Paul commended the Berean's for holding his teaching to the standards of God's Word. This is the only way you can confront and warn others against deception.
How many times do we hear people screaming not to judge teachers and preachers teachings by God's Word here? I hope that those that want to "cry foul" against those who are contending for the faith and truth of God's Word will come to see that they are actually in opposition to God because they are in support of the false teachers and their teachings being exposed. But sadly, too many idolize their favorite teachers and put what they say above God's Word.
Agreed. I'm appalled that some on here are appalled when we follow the Word and hold teachers to the light. :twitch :ohno
May 5th, 2008, 10:41 PM
Good response Chris. I used to really like Perry Stone, myself. However, you have to put your discernment cap on and be cautious. It seems that Perry, along with some other prophecy teachers, have grown fat by packaging their "special revelations and insights"; and you only learn of them by buying the books, magazines, videos or attending the conferences, etc. He is charismatic and believes in special revelations that are being given to him and his father-which many are not shared with the public until "after they come to pass". God reveals His plans to His servants for a reason, NOT to be kept secret and revealed AFTERWARDS. Who does that glorify-God or the "visionary".
It is very easy to get caught up in an intoxicating spiral of searching for "hidden knowledge" only revealed to a few. Perry is WOF and his associations with folks like the false prophetess Paula White a wolf that has infiltrated the church. She IS apostate, a must see video: http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=38918 This video SHOCKED me. What fellowship does light have with darkness, Perry needs to rebuke her and not associate with her because he gives her credence by associating and sharing a stage with her.
Recently, I bought "Teen You Can Serve God", a message by Perry. Upon listening and reviewing it first before sharing it with my son, it went way off track saying young people have to be "annointed", and talked about passing the annointing down through the generations, and other extra Biblical statements of his early experiences in camp meetings-I threw it in the trash. :(
Again...in these last days, we MUST use caution and discernment. There are many jewels and nuggets we can glean from scripture. The Bible IS built precept upon precept with layers we can peel back and learn from. It is exciting to re-learn our Jewish roots of our faith-but the danger is when there is an exaggerating of their finds, and then "charging to share the information".
If Perry really believed in "a meal that heals"-you certainly wouldn't have to buy his kit from him to benefit. If he really believed this and wanted people to be healed, he could show how a person can simply take communion in their home using wine and bread.
Again-I began getting very uncomfortable with some preachers I respected in their early days, when their ministry took on an image of money changers and selling of "blessings". There were too many extra Biblical revelations and exaggerations being made by many prophecy teachers today and it has become as addictive as drugs to many. They need more and more hidden knowledge and revelation and jump on every message that is made without using discernment and the Word to verify.
Amen!! Very well said. :thumb
May 5th, 2008, 10:42 PM
Tenbear...it is the days in which we live. No one takes joy in pointing out error in teachings, and we DO pray for those who are in the wrong, I don't know why you assume we do not.
Paul wrote to Timothy to guard and contend for the faith and for what he was taught. Jude while preparing to write a letter about our common salvation, instead was moved by the Holy Spirit to warn us to contend for the faith because certain men have crept in unaware teaching doctrines of demons. Read Galations and Ephesians too. We are told in the last days, decievers will grow worse and worse. It is a sign of the times, not the pleasure of Bereans to have to share one heartbreaking story after another of the wolves that have crept in and ministries led astray.
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