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KaiafromBergen
September 20th, 2009, 10:10 AM
Here is a link to a seven part video of Glenn Beck's "conversion" to Mormonism. What I found interesting was his constant comments about "I" - I want to be "happy." Also, the never ending talk about how "love" can change things . . . If I love you and you love me, that is the "power."

Lucifer will do anything to add "just enough" to adulterate the True Gospel. I've asked Mormons if they totally trust and believe in the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the penalty for their sins. They say yes. I then ask if baptism is necessary for salvation, they say yes. I ask if the dead can be saved through proxy baptism, they say yes. . . .

This is just a few of the "additions" to the Gospel . . . let alone the many other issues - the "creation" of Jesus Christ, etc . . .

I find it interesting that the "truth" of Joseph Smith has had to be revised/edited/reworded as his "truths" didn't come to pass. Either what a prophet says is 100% true or they are not a true prophet.

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His Bride
September 20th, 2009, 10:21 AM
Once again, our Lord Jesus Christ is the Jesus of the Bible. He is fully God and fully man. He died on the cross to redeem man from the punishment of sin. Any other Jesus, no matter how believable, is not the Jesus of the Bible, the Word made Flesh. Believing in any other Jesus is believing in a lie. A loving, good person who believes in another Jesus is not saved.

Christina
September 20th, 2009, 10:29 AM
If you fellowship with the light (the truth of Christ, as stated in scripture), then you'll find fellowship with us, because we stand in the light of Jesus Christ, born of a virgin, shed His blood on the cross, was raised after three days, and sits at the right hand of God, awaiting to mete out the judgment evil has already been condemned over, and will soon return to gather His people.

Amen HIE, Amen!! :yeah Great first read for a Sunday morning! :hug

LindaLee
September 20th, 2009, 11:23 AM
I am a Christian, I follow Jesus Christ and adhere strictly to the Bible. I do not attend a "cultish" church or any church that does not teach the truth of God's Word.

I geninuely think some have misconstrued what I have tried to relay and got it twisted. That being said...Only God can judge the heart of a person in another church affiliation based on what they know and understand according to God's word. May God grant us all the Truth and Knowledge that only He can give us...

lightparticle
September 20th, 2009, 11:53 AM
Please understand that it was not my intent to anger people. I guess I would be more interested in a discussion regarding the particular points that make people believe that Mormons are not Christian. My first question was specific:

Where in the Bible does it define who is and who is not a Christian?

Anddra
September 20th, 2009, 12:01 PM
One answer to that question is this. Those who are known as His by the Lord...

The Lord knows those that are his.
2 Timothy 2:19

There are many who call themselves Christians but are not...

Many shall say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied through thy name, and through thy name cast out demons, and through thy name done many works of power? and then will I avow unto them, I never knew you. Depart from me, workers of lawlessness.
Matthew 7:22-23

Buzzardhut
September 20th, 2009, 12:03 PM
Please understand that it was not my intent to anger people. I guess I would be more interested in a discussion regarding the particular points that make people believe that Mormons are not Christian. My first question was specific:

Where in the Bible does it define who is and who is not a Christian?
don't be confused with false christs
the true Jesus is not the brother of satan
those following false christs are false christians

Mormons believe the following about God: He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe, but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort. They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.” Though abandoned by modern Mormon leaders, Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Jesus Christ. In contrast, Christians know this about God: there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8), He always has existed and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17), and He was not created but is the Creator (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect, and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).

Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness. Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this life. In contrast, the Bible tells us that after death, we go to heaven or hell based on whether or not we had faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. To be absent from our bodies means, as believers, we are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8). Unbelievers are sent to hell or the place of the dead (Luke 16:22-23). When Jesus comes the second time, we will receive new bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). There will be a new heaven and new earth for believers (Revelation 21:1), and unbelievers will be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). There is no second chance for redemption after death (Hebrews 9:27).

Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus’ incarnation was the result of a physical relationship between God the Father and Mary. Mormons believe Jesus is a god, but that any human can also become a god. Mormonism teaches that salvation can be earned by a combination of faith and good works. Contrary to this, Christians historically have taught that no one can achieve the status of God—only He is holy (1 Samuel 2:2). We can only be made holy in God's sight through faith in Him (1 Corinthians 1:2). Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), is the only one ever to have lived a sinless, blameless life, and now has the highest place of honor in heaven (Hebrews 7:26). Jesus and God are one in essence, Jesus being the only One existing before physical birth (John 1:1-8; 8:56). Jesus gave Himself to us as a sacrifice, God raised Him from the dead, and one day everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:6-11). Jesus tells us it is impossible to get to heaven by our own works and that only by faith in Him is it possible (Matthew 19:26). We all deserve eternal punishment for our sins, but God's infinite love and grace have allowed us a way out. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

Clearly, there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). It is not done by works, but by faith (Romans 1:17; 3:28). We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation. http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html

The specific Christian definition of a cult is “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” In simpler terms, a cult is a group that teaches something that will cause a person to remain unsaved if he/she believes it. As distinct from a religion, a cult is a group that claims to be part of the religion, yet denies essential truth(s) of that religion. A Christian cult is a group that denies one or more of the fundamental truths of Christianity, while still claiming to be Christian.

The two most common teachings of cults are that Jesus was not God and that salvation is not by faith alone. A denial of the deity of Christ results in Jesus’ death not being a sufficient payment for our sins. A denial of salvation by faith alone results in salvation being achieved by our own works, something the Bible vehemently and consistently denies. The two most well-known examples of cults are the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. Both groups claim to be Christian, yet both deny the deity of Christ and salvation by faith alone. Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons believe many things that are in agreement with or similar to what the Bible teaches. However, the fact that they deny the deity of Christ and preach a salvation by works qualifies them as a cult. Many Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and members of other cults are “good people” who genuinely believe they hold the truth. As Christians, our hope and prayer must be that many people involved in the cults will see through the lies and will be drawn to the truth of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

lightparticle
September 20th, 2009, 12:27 PM
Thank you for the replies. I appreciate the thought and effort that it took to put that post together Buzzardhut. However, none of those scriptures define who is and is not a Christian. I understand that you were using those scriptures to define the gospel of Christ. But even someone who does not interpret those scriptures exactly the same as you may still be called a Christian, as the scriptures themselves do not label anyone otherwise.

I'm not looking for the usual word semantics. I am seeking the origin of the title "Christian" as it is used today, and by what authority any person has to give or take it away from an individual or group, whether that basis is the Bible, or through slow definition change over time.

Buzzardhut
September 20th, 2009, 12:34 PM
Thank you for the replies. I appreciate the thought and effort that it took to put that post together Buzzardhut. However, none of those scriptures define who is and is not a Christian. I understand that you were using those scriptures to define the gospel of Christ. But even someone who does not interpret those scriptures exactly the same as you may still be called a Christian, as the scriptures themselves do not label anyone otherwise.

I'm not looking for the usual word semantics. I am seeking the origin of the title "Christian" as it is used today, and by what authority any person has to give or take it away from an individual or group, whether that basis is the Bible, or through slow definition change over time.

Christian is a derogatory catchall term.
If following a false christ, you are falsely following, and therefore since your religion is false, your faith is false, and not a genuine christian - a person going to heaven.
Not all in Christendom are christians and many will tell Jesus they know Him but He will tell them He never knew them

iSong6:3
September 20th, 2009, 12:46 PM
lp - The term "Christian" was started in Antioch in the first century as a slur, calling people "little Christs". Not sure that matters now. :idunno