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Weirdo4Christ
August 16th, 2007, 12:38 PM
I guess I'd like to be able to say that every day not just when push would come to shove.

OnceWasLost
August 16th, 2007, 12:59 PM
In Fred's defense, why doesn't 20/20 report on the salary and possessions of Jack Welch or Bill Gates or Warren Buffet? :scratch


I would say because they are the heads of a for profit company. They are businessmen, and do an excellent job, so they are rewarded accordingly.

Joel
August 18th, 2007, 02:30 AM
So what may I ask does it actually say!? :idunno You MUST remember that most all of us out here can't process these silly video YouTubes, due to our Firefox systems which are apart of our outdated Windows 98+ computer programs. :gaah Please spell it for us!!! OK? Thank you.

Firefox has nothing to do with viewing youtube.

Just make sure javascript is enabled and install flash (http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/).

eve_anne_gelical
August 18th, 2007, 01:06 PM
My, my Fred Price.....the preacher who says sickness is not allowed in his house , yet his wife got cancer. Some dangerous teachings...no one should ever be defending this guy for anything.

Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith pastor of a mega-church in Los Angeles teaches that no one should die before 70. He became famous for saying why would God want to live in a sick body.” If you keep talking death, that is what you are going to have. “If you keep talking sickness and disease, that is what you are going to have, because you are going to create the reality of them with your own mouth. That is a divine law.” (Fred Price, Realm, 29).

“ ... how can you glorify God in your body, when it doesn't function right? How can you glorify God? How can He get glory when your body doesn't even work? ... What makes you think the Holy Ghost wants to live inside a body where He can't see out through the windows and He can't hear with the ears? What makes you think the Holy Spirit wants to live inside of a physical body where the limbs and the organs and the cells do not function right? ... And what makes you think He wants to live in a temple where He can't see out of the eyes, and He can't walk with the feet, and He can't move with the hand? ... The only eyes that he has that are in the earth realm are the eyes that are in the body. If He can't see out of them then God's gonna be limited he's not going to be helped...” applause (Frederick K.C. Price, “Is God Glorified Through Sickness?” (Los Angeles: Crenshaw Christian Center, n.d.), audiotape #FP605).

Price also discourages the use of medication, saying, “When you have developed your faith to such an extent that you can stand on the promises of God, then you won't need medicine” (Faith, foolishness or presumption, p.88, 1979, Harrison House). Price states, “We don't allow sickness in our home (Is Healing for All? p.20, Harrison House, 1976)

Really Fred? Yes you do. His own wife, Betty got cancer. How did it come into their house? In October 1990 Price openly said she had developed cancer-an “inoperable malignant tumor in her pelvic area.” (Betty Price praise report, Ever Increasing Faith Messenger). She was medically treated by chemo-therapy and God had mercy on her and she was healed. Thank God for his mercy and not mans word. What does this mean after hearing Prices own statements of how legalistic he is, “We don't allow sickness in our home.” According to her husbands teaching the Holy Spirit leave his wife because she had a sick body. His faith was not enough, Fred’s own wife needed a doctor just like anyone else would. Price now claims she is free of cancer, medication, and pain (but only “95 percent free of a limp” (CRI telephone interview with Crenshaw Christian center staff member July 31 1992) also Betty Price health update...then... and... now from Betty Price. Ever Increasing Faith Messenger 13, 4 (fall, 1992):5 (cited in Christianity in Crises).

http://www.letusreason.org/Wf25.htm

Caver
August 18th, 2007, 03:31 PM
Convicted by his own words. Oh boo hoo Fred....

Conversely, I think. There he was saying these words to his entire congregation...the size of the house, value of the boat, the 7 cars, etc. There was no deceit there that I saw, in fact he was being blatently open to his congregation but the report made it sound like he did this in secret. He didn't.

Don't get me wrong, I am neither one of his fans nor a follower of his brand of faith. I just don't think this particular case was deceptive.

Weirdo4Christ
August 18th, 2007, 07:00 PM
Conversely, I think. There he was saying these words to his entire congregation...the size of the house, value of the boat, the 7 cars, etc. There was no deceit there that I saw, in fact he was being blatently open to his congregation but the report made it sound like he did this in secret. He didn't.

Don't get me wrong, I am neither one of his fans nor a follower of his brand of faith. I just don't think this particular case was deceptive.

Maybe the news piece was showing the word of faith people to be greedy as well as deceptive. Perhaps not ALL of them are deceptive but they all share greed.