Global warming debate 'irrational': scientists

[Iovan]

For those unfamiliar with the topic csharp and I debated in(and his big bang assetions are found and debunked in) here is the thread. Now I hope we can get back on topic before mods close the thread because of this off-topic argument.

In the beginning, God created......
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=2161

[Biblenuggetlady]

Who created all things? Jesus, by Him and thru Him were all things created. Adam was created as a mature man, Eve was created as a mature woman...when Jesus did His first miracle in the NT, what did He do? He created out of 6 pots of water, wine. Wine has to be "aged" to be wine, so He created it "aged"...just like creation was. When Adam was created, what did he eat...he was told to eat from the trees which had to have had fruit...he didn't go hungry for years while the trees matured. ;)

Here's an interesting article on "global warming debunked":

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaruherald/4064691a6571.html

"It is time to attack the myth of global warming," he said.

Water vapour was responsible for 95 per cent of the greenhouse effect, an effect which was vital to keep the world warm, he explained.

"If we didn't have the greenhouse effect the planet would be at minus 18 deg C but because we do have the greenhouse effect it is plus 15 deg C, all the time."

The other greenhouse gases: carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen dioxide, and various others including CFCs, contributed only five per cent of the effect, carbon dioxide being by far the greatest contributor at 3.6 per cent.

However, carbon dioxide as a result of man's activities was only 3.2 per cent of that, hence only 0.12 per cent of the greenhouse gases in total. Human-related methane, nitrogen dioxide and CFCs etc made similarly minuscule contributions to the effect: 0.066, 0.047 and 0.046 per cent respectively.

"That ought to be the end of the argument, there and then," he said.

"We couldn't do it (change the climate) even if we wanted to because water vapour dominates."

Yet the Greens continued to use phrases such as "The planet is groaning under the weight of CO2" and Government policies were about to hit industries such as farming, he warned.

"The Greens are really going to go after you because you put out 49 per cent of the countries emissions. Does anybody ask 49 per cent of what? Does anybody know how small that number is?

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt," he said.

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[professor h]

I don't know about you guys, but global warming or not, I don't think spewing chemicals into our atmosphere is a good idea.

You don't spit into your cooking water, do you?

[Iovan]

Spewing harmful chemicals isn't good. Oxygen has a chemical structure, but it isn't harmful(unless isolated in air tight spaces and given a flame). CO2 is a natural part of the atmosphere.

[ddg1263]

I have just scanned this thread and have seen many people who are very skeptable of global warmiing claims. First of all let me say I am a conservitive. I hope this puts us in the same boat sort of, but I am very interested in everything the scientist are say about global warming because I think the bible has predicted this for many ages through the increase of storms in the final days. And it seems to reason that something will cause the all the activity in the weather. I know the lord has his hands in it, but the lord uses the elements to his will too. It may be the sun getting hotter and not the Co2 emmissions causing the earth to warm up. But I think it is something we are doing to the enviroment causing all these changes to take place. I also think Jesus knew how things would delevop in the future, and he could tell us what to look for in the final days via storms and such. But this is just me, and I am not a prophet. I am just a christain who believes in the Father, Sun, and the Holy Spirit.

[ddg1263]

Just read someone post and wanted to chime in on what I have noticed about what I ave seen on the global warming data. The scientest are saying that the co2 emmisions are causeing our atmosphere to thicken up which causes the suns rays to reflect more. In turn things heat up which melts the polar region and causes more evaporation. That evaporation generates much larger storms with greater magnitude. I remember when Katrina hit boy the gulf was so hot that year. When I dove out there you could tell how warm the water was compaired to earlier years. I was out 100 miles or so in the gulf.
I also saw something on the learning channel years ago on space travel, and I was amazed back then about how they thought we would be able to bring an atmosphere to mars to allow us to live there. They showed how many scientest proved that co2 emmissions thickened up the atmosphere. This show was say 10 years ago before global warming was a hot issue. On that show it showed how man was great at pumping out co2 emmisions through factories, and that they could develop facilites to emmulate that on mars and terriform that atmosphere. It was interesting back then.

[Iovan]

Terraforming is a theory, and not something that has can be tested currently. Even if tested it would take centuries to get an effect on a planet such as Mars, and even then you wouldn't have a useful thick atmosphere.

Not to mention what they planned for mars(a planet small enough that 17 of them could fit inside the earth if it was hollow beneath the crust) would take much more CO2 per year than what what we release on earth. This is while Mars is a dead planet without natural cycles to get rid of the CO2 like the earth.

Global warming by CO2 is not a very stable cause. Natural causes have better supporting evidence by far.

[ddg1263]

If I can remember the show when it came out it was when we found water on mars. I also want to say it was just something on the learning channel, and I know alot of those shows are made to generate vewiers, but it was interesting. I completely understand that it was theroy and they havent proven it. For the record they had something proven in a lab to show how it would work. I don't remeber the specifics because it was a long time ago, but I do remember the principle.

But as for Natural causes have better supporting evidence by far on global warming, I am not sold on this for sure. I have seen many more scientist sold on co2 emmisions than natural causes. But the one thing they all agree on is that the earth is warming up.

[RWSchilz]

When Mount St. Helen went off it was said that the blast released as much particle and Co2 gasses into the atmonphere equivilant to 100 years of the industrial revolution. How did we ever survive? Or any volcanic eruption or forest fire in the past 100 years?:idunno God does not make mistakes! He gave us fossil fuels to burn and consume He new through our technology we would learn to use them more and more efficiently as time went on. God created a planet that can recover from the effects of volcanoes, forest firers, earthquakes and all other natural disasters. I truly believe that "global warming" religion was created to explain away the Biblical scriptures that for warn of pending natural disasters.:nod

Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven
Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring:scripture

[ddg1263]

Well I looked for some facts of Mount St. Helen, but I was unable to locate the estimates of co2 emissions from the explosion. I know it was great but I am not sure if 100 years of our co2 emissions were released from that explosion. I personally think that volcano eruptions and Forrest fires have caused weather pattern changes in the past. But I don’t think one eruption did it. This planet is getting hotter, and everyone is in agreement. Some people that are representing big oil interest, which includes automakers, want us to think it is something other than co2 doing it. I am not sure it is co2 but it sure has some strong indications pointing towards it. Common sense dictates that it is the cause but you do have to with hold full agreement to it because of mistakes we have made in the past. I will say for sure co2 is holding the “smoking gun” in what is causing the weather to change so drastically. And I actually think the lord has planned all of this. Just as you see the verses in the bible, things are coming to pass. And he is using CO2 to do just that.
Also I want to say that you know the lord did give us things to use here on earth, but we also were given lead to use and we use to put this in paint all the time to increase the quality of it. Well it kills children. Also mercury is outlawed in many mass uses. I can go on and on about harmful things that happen when we use things in the wrong way. I will also say that the global warming is NOT a religion. The polar caps are melting and people are scratching their head and asking themselves “what is going on here”. For you to suggest that it is a religion is just plain wrong because I for one don’t put anything in front of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. And for one to have another religion is doing just that. I just don’t understand why folks attack me and my faith because I don’t agree with them.