Global warming debate 'irrational': scientists

[BlessedinHim]

It is just a question, and the scientists want to say that the earth is many billions years old and that we came about by evolution, which I do not believe in in any shape or form. And why would it be impossible for God to have done just that in the first place? Is God not powerful enough to do as He pleases? Could He not have put things in place to make the future go according to His plan? The bible is silent about that, doesnt say what the earth was except void. and He added all the other stuff to it, including Adam and Eve. I believe Adam and Eve were real people, and whether or not their bones have been found doesnt matter to me, God said it, I believe it. Whether I fully understand it all or not. I will be a fool to all the world to believe what God said.

How can you know something is that old in the first place? were you there when it was created so you can come now and say it was created in a certain time? How can you actually tell how old a rock is? How do you know without any doubt how long it took things to happen? I wasnt there when it took place, I was created later. God will create what He creates how He wants to create it. Where does it imply in the bible record that Adam and Eve were not real people? What in the bible has ever been completely proven wrong? The bible said the earth was round before Columbus did or Galilleo or whoever thinks they said it first. The bible has never been proven without a doubt wrong.

[saved by Grace]

It is just a question, and the scientists want to say that the earth is many billions years old and that we came about by evolution, which I do not believe in in any shape or form. And why would it be impossible for God to have done just that in the first place? Is God not powerful enough to do as He pleases? Could He not have put things in place to make the future go according to His plan? The bible is silent about that, doesnt say what the earth was except void. and He added all the other stuff to it, including Adam and Eve. I believe Adam and Eve were real people, and whether or not their bones have been found doesnt matter to me, God said it, I believe it. Whether I fully understand it all or not. I will be a fool to all the world to believe what God said.


the bible has proven itself to me,especially on prophesy thats been fulfilled and I believe everything in it and it is absolute.i dont care if the non believing world calls me a fool for simply believing everything in it.I also believe that God is omnipotent,omnipresent,omniscient.there simply is not anything impossible for God including creating a man and woman thats aged enough to do whats required of them.after all the angels themselves did not start out as babies they were fully grown and fully capable of doing Gods will right from the start.wouldnt he also be able to create a fully grown man and woman?

[csharpdotcom]

It is just a question, and the scientists want to say that the earth is many billions years old and that we came about by evolution, which I do not believe in in any shape or form.

The great age of the earth, and the even greater age of the universe, are determined from the evidence, regardless of any assumptions of evolution. Yes, evolution as we under stand it needs long periods of time, but quite independent of whether evolution is true or not, the earth is determined to be billions of years ago.

And why would it be impossible for God to have done just that in the first place? Is God not powerful enough to do as He pleases? Could He not have put things in place to make the future go according to His plan?

If God is the author of truth, and if Romans 1:20 has any meaning, then I have to accept that the universe is ancient. God being omnipotent doesn't mean He can do anything he likes, such as creating a right angled triangle in Euclidean space that doesn't obey Pythagoras's theorum, as that would be a logical contradiction.

The bible is silent about that, doesnt say what the earth was except void. and He added all the other stuff to it, including Adam and Eve. I believe Adam and Eve were real people, and whether or not their bones have been found doesnt matter to me, God said it, I believe it.

That is a simple cop-out. I suppose you are frightened of the 11th Commandmant "Though shalt not think, thou shalt just believe, lest thine faith be challenged."

Whether I fully understand it all or not. I will be a fool to all the world to believe what God said.

I too can be a fool for Christ, but I won't be a moron for Christ.

How can you know something is that old in the first place? were you there when it was created so you can come now and say it was created in a certain time? How can you actually tell how old a rock is? How do you know without any doubt how long it took things to happen? I wasnt there when it took place, I was created later. God will create what He creates how He wants to create it.

How can you know anything about the past before you were born? We can see light from distant stars millions of light years away, so everytime you look at such a star you see it as it was when the light left it.

Where does it imply in the bible record that Adam and Eve were not real people? What in the bible has ever been completely proven wrong? The bible said the earth was round before Columbus did or Galilleo or whoever thinks they said it first. The bible has never been proven without a doubt wrong.

The Bible also talks about the windows of heaven and a firmament (raqia in Hebrew meaning a solid dome) separating the waters above from the waters below. This is in accordance with Babylonian and other bronze age Middle Eastern cosmogonies. The Bible is not a science book, and is written from what people understood science of the time, see http://www.beyondthefirmament.com/ .

[Cameron]

Good point. The evolutionists should be shaking in their boots to see the environment "evolving" to its own destruction. What a farce! :gaah

[Cameron]

The Bible is not a science book, and is written from what people understood science of the time,

The Bible was written by what God inspired the people to write. Are you saying God was "out of date"?

Science books have been and will continue to be revised because they represent flawed assumptions in may instances, but the word of God will be the same forever.

[csharpdotcom]

The Bible is not a science book, and is written from what people understood science of the time,

The Bible was written by what God inspired the people to write. Are you saying God was "out of date"?

Science books have been and will continue to be revised because they represent flawed assumptions in may instances, but the word of God will be the same forever.

If you look at the link I gave above, and in particular look at the videos on that link, you will see what I mean. You will see that God can never be out of date, because the teachings in the Bible refer to moral aspects and man's relionship with God, but they are written within the cultural and scientific understanding of the day. Science changes as new discoveries are made, morals do not.

[Cameron]

When God asked Job if he was there when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy, when God told of the water table rising in the morning to water the face of the Earth, when God spoke of the windows of heaven being opened and the flood came, when God set the stars in place, when God created the protective firmament that was removed when it rained down during the flood, and many, many more things, He was doing more than teaching moral principles.

As for speaking in a manner that people could understand at the time, it seemed the ancients had a far greater grasp on the things God did and how He did them than we do today.

Science is the uncovering of what God has already done. Man is still in his infancy and argueably, less knowledgeable of events and "science" than were the pre flood beings.

[csharpdotcom]

When God asked Job if he was there when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy, when God told of the water table rising in the morning to water the face of the Earth, when God spoke of the windows of heaven being opened and the flood came, when God set the stars in place, when God created the protective firmament that was removed when it rained down during the flood, and many, many more things, He was doing more than teaching moral principles.

Morning stars don't sing, so obviously this is figurative. If you know anything about the Enuma Elish and other Middle Eastern cosmogonies, of which Genesis is a part, people back then believe that the firmament, "ragia" in Hebrew, was a solid dome onto which were fixed the sun, moon and stars, which Martin Luther also believed. That's no big deal, that was the science of the day, and God expressed himself within the framework of the culture of the day. It would have been meaningless for God to have used modern quantum physics or relativity to explain how the universe worked to these people. They were no less smart than us, they just didn't know.

As for speaking in a manner that people could understand at the time, it seemed the ancients had a far greater grasp on the things God did and how He did them than we do today.

Really, where is the evidence for that?

Science is the uncovering of what God has already done. Man is still in his infancy and argueably, less knowledgeable of events and "science" than were the pre flood beings.

Where is the evidence that pre-flood people knew about, say quantum physics or relativity?

[Cameron]

The stars don't sing? Talk to an astronomer. There are radio stars that emit sounds similar to an orchestra tuning. And with the raqiya in place before the flood, it may have served as an attenuator. The most common material on Earth is silicon....sand. Sand has been shown to vibrate when exposed to sound waves.

The morning stars sang together, the sands vibrated, thus pumping the water in the sands causing the water to rise and water the entire face of the Earth.

The Bible is very literal, even the long age spans are literal before the flood when you factor in how the raquiya kept out the harmful short wave energy and allowed the beneficial long wave energy along with a higher ratio of oxygen than we have today.

Take a look at hyperbaric medicine today where they place a person or a portion of their body into the chamber to apply higher oxygenation to allow for faster healing.

Think pre flood man was a dunce? Adam named all of the animals. He recognized Eve as soon as she was brought to him and knew where she had come from (his side). He was formed fully grown, fully functional and with a higher IQ than anything we see today. The Bible indicates that God creates with maturity and what we see is not an old universe, but a mature universe that is still expanding.

Its all in the manual (the Bible) if you read it as a literal document.

[csharpdotcom]

The stars don't sing? Talk to an astronomer. There are radio stars that emit sounds similar to an orchestra tuning. And with the raqiya in place before the flood, it may have served as an attenuator. The most common material on Earth is silicon....sand. Sand has been shown to vibrate when exposed to sound waves.

This is getting way off topic. Yes, stars emit radio waves, including the sun, but I'm not aware that they emit radio sounds similar to an orchestra tuning, and even if they did, so what. They emit energy due to various properties and may appear to our ears as singing, but they are not living entities. Why was the raqia in place before the flood and not after? Everything, including sand vibrates when exposed to sound, but because of the vacuum of space, no sound could reach the earth as sound waves, and there is no obvious natural mechanism to convert radio waves to sound in the earth's atmosphere. In any case radio waves coming from outside the Solar System are so week that very sensitive equipment is required to receive them.

The morning stars sang together, the sands vibrated, thus pumping the water in the sands causing the water to rise and water the entire face of the Earth.

With all due respect, you are talking total nonsense!

The Bible is very literal, even the long age spans are literal before the flood when you factor in how the raquiya kept out the harmful short wave energy and allowed the beneficial long wave energy along with a higher ratio of oxygen than we have today.

Where does it say that in the Bible? In any case, it is you who is making the Bible literal.

Take a look at hyperbaric medicine today where they place a person or a portion of their body into the chamber to apply higher oxygenation to allow for faster healing.

That may be true, but you are making a complete speculation to apply this to the Bible. It sounds that you have been reading some of Kent Hovind's material. Incidentally, he is now in jail for tax fraud.

Think pre flood man was a dunce? Adam named all of the animals. He recognized Eve as soon as she was brought to him and knew where she had come from (his side). He was formed fully grown, fully functional and with a higher IQ than anything we see today. The Bible indicates that God creates with maturity and what we see is not an old universe, but a mature universe that is still expanding.

So God teleported a kangeroo from Australia, a sloth from S.America, and a kiwi from New Zealand to the Garden of Eden, amongst other animals! The universe not only has an appearance of age, it is old, because there are impact craters on the moon and various orbital resonances, such as a 1:2:4 resonance of Io, Europa and Ganymede of the moons of Jupiter. This clearly indicates age, otherwise God would have put together a deceptive creation.

Its all in the manual (the Bible) if you read it as a literal document.

As did Martin Luther, who stated that the sun, moon and planets were fixed to the underside of the (solid) firmament as lights.