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4given
August 14th, 2007, 05:27 PM
My niece is involved with these people and I seriously question some of their tactics and beliefs.

Berean Girl
August 14th, 2007, 06:18 PM
I believe that they are ecumenical in scope, I will post what I think I may have, let me find it. :wave

Berean Girl
August 14th, 2007, 06:39 PM
They seem to also be endorsing the Emergent heresy.

ALERT: 24-7 Prayer Rooms Increasing in North America

24-7 Prayer, the ministry of Pete Greig (UK author of Red Moon Rising) has announced: "The new 24-7 Prayer Manual has just been published in North America in response to the growing demand of prayer rooms multiplying all over the continent."

Because of the growing popularity of these contemplative/mystical prayer rooms, we are re-posting an article we wrote in October regarding the 24-7 prayer rooms and Greig's book, Red Moon Rising:

Red Moon Rising: How 24-7 Prayer is Awakening a Generation (2003, Relevant Books), by UK author Pete Greig, is becoming an increasingly popular book among Christian youth. Greig is the founder of an international prayer movement called 24-7 Prayer and Boiler Rooms. In a magazine interview with Greig, he explains that his organization is now in over 65 countries and has partnered with groups such as Salvation Army and YWAM and has established "modern day monasteries based on the example of the ancient Celts."

While Greig's book and ministry may, at first glance, appear to be a movement of prayer, research shows that both the book and the movement are heavily influenced by contemplative spirituality and New Age thought. And while youth around the world are taking shifts (to pray) in Greig's boiler rooms (prayer rooms), they may be getting into something entirely different than biblical prayer. If your youth group is considering incorporating Red Moon Rising and 24-7 Prayer into their agenda, a second look may be worthwhile.

Greig tells his readers to look to Brennan Manning's book, Abba's Child, for further reading. It is in Abba's Child that Manning says Dr. Beatrice Bruteau is a "trustworthy guide to contemplative consciousness." Bruteau is the founder of The School for Contemplation and believes God is within every human being. She wrote the book, What We Can Learn from the East :doh :shockedand says:

"We have realized ourselves as the Self that says only I AM, with no predicate following, not "I am a this" or "I have that quality." Only unlimited, absolute I AM"
Also in Manning's book, he says: "[I]f I find Christ, I will find my true self and if I find my true self, I will find Christ." Thomas Merton believed what Bruteau and Manning have stated, that God is already within every human being, we just need to become aware of this. When Greig tells readers to turn to Abba's Child, he is pointing them towards the mystical, panentheistic views of Thomas Merton.

Red Moon Rising instructs readers on lectio divina, but warns readers that their "inner fundamentalist" voice may be telling them this isn't biblical - in actuality that may be the voice of the Holy Spirit. The book cites contemplative proponents like Leonard Sweet, Brian McLaren and Henri Nouwen and talks about a paradigm and cultural shift that is taking place in the world.

On the 24-7 Prayer website, a section called Labyrinths and Liturgy states:

"[I]t's about time we pooled our resources and created a collection of homegrown liturgies, and make them available for anyone out there who wishes to use them in their prayer rooms or as part of their personal rhythm of prayer."
Throughout Greig's site, articles and discussion cover topics such as monks, monasteries, and meditation. One article, titled "The Cross and the Cellar", is written by Morton Kelsey. Kelsey, an Episcopalian priest was a strong advocate for contemplative spirituality and said:
"You can find most of the New Age practices in the depth of Christianity.... I believe that the Holy One lives in every soul (A Time of Departing, p. 67).
In another article Greig says 24-7 Prayer is part of a "global prayer explosion" that includes the Catholic Renewal Movement [this is the same as the Catholic Charismatics - take heed people :scripture], Taize worship, IHOP, and other prayer movements.

The 24-7 Prayer organization has another ministry outlet called "The Order of the Mustard Seed." Based on an 18th century order, participants are asked to take a vow and then wear a specially made ring. When we study the Mustard Seed website a clear picture begins to unfold, that this vow is a vow to be contemplative. Contemplative and occultic concepts, references, quotes, etc. so fill the pages of this site, that it would take much more than this article to describe it's depth of deception. In one Mustard Seed article, Greig states his admiration for Henri Nouwen, saying:
"I am firmly in the Henri Nouwen fan-club, yearning for greater spiritual depth and getting excited about Rhythms and Rules of Life." But these rhythms and rules are filled with mysticism and spiritual darkness. "Rules have been the heartbeat of life for many of those we esteem the most," Greig adds and then lists several contemplatives including Thomas Merton and Mother Teresa(see her address: "Contemplatives in the Heart of the World"). A "Vision Study Guide" gives instruction on the spiritual disciplines including the silence and sacred space.

Unfortunately, as we have shown over the past few years, this "cultural shift" that is occurring within Christendom is one steeped in mysticism and a joining together of all the world's religious traditions. And when Greig talks about his vision for an army of young people who have a "violent reaction to compromised religion," this sounds similar to Erwin McManus' "barbarian way," Teen Mania's "battlecry" and Kids in Ministry's army of children with supernatural proclivities. It is frightening to see a growing trend that sounds more like a preparation for the Crusades than the language of Jesus Christ and the disciples. Couple this with contemplative mysticism, and we may have a combination that will bring about unmentionable results.

For more information:

A 24-7 Prayer room in Vista, California


Directory of 24-7 Prayer Rooms in the US
http://www.24-7prayer.com/cm/country/us


International House of Prayer (IHOP) Promotes Contemplative Spirituality
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/ihop.htm



This article or excerpt is from Lighthouse Trails on @ 12:01 am.

Website: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com
Category: [Contemplative Spirituality]

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Berean Girl
August 14th, 2007, 06:49 PM
From Discernment Ministries (www.discernment-ministries.org)

http://www.google.com/search?q=International+House+of+Prayer&btnG=Google+Search&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.discernment-ministries.org&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.discernment-ministries.org

From Deception in the Church (www.deceptioninthechurch.com)

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From Let Us Reason (www.letusreason.org)

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CelticMist
August 14th, 2007, 06:54 PM
Sorry, when I saw IHOP I thought "International House of Pancakes".

Heres a link to their page http://www.ihop.org/

There Statement of Faith http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=22914

The director http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=22497

Intro to IHOP http://www.ihop.org/Group/Group.aspx?id=1000008944 man very pricey if you ask me.... would never pay that much... sorry............

Sing4Him
August 14th, 2007, 08:56 PM
Pete Greig and his Boiler Prayer Rooms, his 24/7 Prayer site, his The Order of the Mustard Seed connection is one of the most dangerous movements today!

'want to know how THIS Contender got into Discernment Ministry?

It was because of the LIES of this EVIL man!

His online sites all connect.. and are fascinating to the young.

Would you like to see a "Boiler Room" (prayer room) set up in MY X-SBC church? thanks to Peter Greig??

Next postsee pics

Sing4Him
August 14th, 2007, 09:00 PM
Southern Baptist Church Youth Prayer Room..
modeled after Pete Greig's Boiler Rooms..
filled with Contemplative Authors and icons etc

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/NiseyG/IMG_1052.jpg

Sing4Him
August 14th, 2007, 09:01 PM
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/NiseyG/IMG_1058.jpg

Sing4Him
August 14th, 2007, 09:06 PM
On Pete Greig's The Order of the Mustard seed.. an OCCULT site, he will offer a "Ring" and for you to sign a "Covenant"!

He also encourages getting a tattoo as a sign of belonging to this lie!

BEWARE Parents.. Pete Greig, his "harmless" looking "Red Moon Rising" , his 24-7 prayersite, and the above will DECEIVE and cunningly draw your teens into a CULT!

He is also connected directcly with Relevant Magazine!

Is your church a "Relevant" church?

Well, MY SBC (x-church) IS a "Relevant church!"

Sing4Him
August 14th, 2007, 09:07 PM
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/NiseyG/IMG_1051-1.jpg

Southern Baptist Teen Prayer (Boiler) Room!