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jeshurun
August 14th, 2007, 07:55 PM
excerpts:According to Jewish scripture and tradition, at the End of Days the nations of the world come against Jerusalem in the battle of Gog and Magog. Messiah ben Joseph leads the armies of Israel in battle and dies in the process. Both Elijah and Messiah ben Joseph are forerunners to Messiah ben David, who will come after a period of struggle and trying for the descendents of Israel. Messiah ben Joseph is seen as the pierced Messiah of Zechariah 12:10.And when the days of the Messiah arrive, Gog and Magog will come up against the Lord of Israel, because they will hear that Israel is without a king and sits in safety. Instantly they will take with them seventy-one nations and go up to Jerusalem, and they will say; “Pharaoh was a fool to command that the males [of the Israelites] be killed and to let the females live. Balaam was an idiot that he wanted to curse them and did not know that their God had blessed them. Haman was insane in that he wanted to kill them, and he did not know their God can save them. I shall not do as they did, but shall fight against their God first, and thereafter I shall slay them…” And the Holy One, blessed be He, will say to him; “You wicked one! You want to wage war against Me? By your life, I shall wage war against you! Instantly the Holy One, blessed be He will cause hailstones, which are hidden in the firmament, to descend upon him, and will bring upon him a great plague… And after him will arise another king, wicked and insolent, and he will wage war against Israel for three months, and his name is Armilus. And these are his marks; he will be bald, one his eyes will be small, the other big. His right arm will be only as long as a hand…..And he will go up to Jerusalem and will slay Messiah ben Joseph…. When the Son of David comes, the first person resurrected, will be the Son of Joseph, then the rest of Israel. link (http://www.truthnet.org/TheMessiah/4_Messiah_of_Judaism/)

goinghome
August 16th, 2007, 06:27 PM
I see many people have read this, but nobody has responded. What is this thread about? Do you want us to discuss what will happen with the jews when the antichrist comes to power? I'm not sure what we're supposed to do with the information you've presented. Is there a question?:wave

jeshurun
August 16th, 2007, 06:40 PM
nope, just letting you know about it is enough

Channa
August 17th, 2007, 07:00 PM
Is it not interesting that Yeshua ben Josef, the sacrificial Lamb, was born in lowly circumstances and was reviled, feared and finally crucified in Jerusalem, and was resurrected Yeshua ben David, the future conquering Lion, to come at an undisclosed time to defeat the enemies of Israel and God?

Strikingly similar, in fact.

Neen273
August 20th, 2007, 10:56 AM
Hi, forgive me as I am not Jewish, am not familiar with Hebrew phrases...you're comparing the two roles/comings of Jesus Christ (Yeshua) to the Jewish traditional beliefs? If so, I see another parallel......

his name is Armilus. And these are his marks; he will be bald, one his eyes will be small, the other big. His right arm will be only as long as a hand…..

Speaking of the Antichrist:
Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword [shall be] upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.