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NewWorldOrder
August 29th, 2007, 07:59 PM
This is one of the reasons we haven't started homeschooling yet, because my husband believes this....the light and salt thing.

I don't feel like you should place that burden on a child.....but I will pray that the Lord will change his mind, or mine.

Good points!

He may be singing a different tune, if instead of being the salt and the light, they are actually influenced by things that go on there. Our children were never meant to be used this way. We are to train them in the ways of the Lord, not throw them to the wolves. Some kids do fine in public school, others do not. I hated public school. I swore my children would never go. Put my oldest in Public school for about 3 weeks, and pulled her out when there was absolutely no order at the end of the day.

adam423
August 29th, 2007, 09:16 PM
This is one of the reasons we haven't started homeschooling yet, because my husband believes this....the light and salt thing.

I don't feel like you should place that burden on a child.....but I will pray that the Lord will change his mind, or mine.

Good points!

I agree with Newworldorder...my oldest daughter was so influenced by peers in public school, she rebelled against our authority. One of her high school teachers told her she didn't need to listen to us and have a curfew, that she should stand up for herself. A teacher!!! And her friends agreed. Now, she is living with a married man and has cut off contact with me and has turned away from the Lord. When she was younger, she used to witness.

I read on one of the home school websites, that less than 10% of kids coming from Christian homes are believers when they graduate high school. School is a hostile environment, not a place that nurtures our children or allows them to seek Christ.

Wally
August 30th, 2007, 07:39 AM
Two old truisms:

Clean doesn't rub off, dirt does.

Children - generally- are not equipped nor able to resist temptation. That is why we train them up first, so that when they are older they have tools to use. When they enter public school, all that we teach them is challenged and tore down. Now considering the time we spend, and the time they spend, considering home has discipline, school little or none, what we call wrong they call rights, keep going.... rare is the child who has the fullness of the Holy Spirit that they can be a witness.


Two dogs make half a dog.

It takes time to train a dog, commands, obedience, but as soon as a couple trained dogs get together... foof.....off they go, ignoring you, doing what ever they want. You wind up with half a dog between them. Irish setters are the perfect example, but most dogs are similar.

Children left to themselves reinforce each other, dare each other, and it seems only a matter of time till they do something really stupid - not that times have changed much. But when I was a kid, the parents in my neighborhood worked together. There was an expected level of conduct and if things got out of hand the parents reclaimed their kids and all were taught. I should have cut down that maple tree....

Kathe
August 30th, 2007, 06:30 PM
Two old truisms:

Clean doesn't rub off, dirt does.

Children - generally- are not equipped nor able to resist temptation. That is why we train them up first, so that when they are older they have tools to use. When they enter public school, all that we teach them is challenged and tore down. Now considering the time we spend, and the time they spend, considering home has discipline, school little or none, what we call wrong they call rights, keep going.... rare is the child who has the fullness of the Holy Spirit that they can be a witness.


Two dogs make half a dog.

It takes time to train a dog, commands, obedience, but as soon as a couple trained dogs get together... foof.....off they go, ignoring you, doing what ever they want. You wind up with half a dog between them. Irish setters are the perfect example, but most dogs are similar.

Children left to themselves reinforce each other, dare each other, and it seems only a matter of time till they do something really stupid - not that times have changed much. But when I was a kid, the parents in my neighborhood worked together. There was an expected level of conduct and if things got out of hand the parents reclaimed their kids and all were taught. I should have cut down that maple tree....


This was an excellent post. After raising 4 children to adulthood (well 2 are in college) and still 2 little ones to go, your kids are not meant as little witnesses in the arena of public school. I dare say that most of us would not like that job even as an adult and yet we want our young children to do it. This is the time to built them up strong so that when they do get out in the world they can stand strong.

Kathe

wife
August 30th, 2007, 07:33 PM
Two old truisms:

Clean doesn't rub off, dirt does.

Children - generally- are not equipped nor able to resist temptation. That is why we train them up first, so that when they are older they have tools to use. When they enter public school, all that we teach them is challenged and tore down. Now considering the time we spend, and the time they spend, considering home has discipline, school little or none, what we call wrong they call rights, keep going.... rare is the child who has the fullness of the Holy Spirit that they can be a witness.


Two dogs make half a dog.

It takes time to train a dog, commands, obedience, but as soon as a couple trained dogs get together... foof.....off they go, ignoring you, doing what ever they want. You wind up with half a dog between them. Irish setters are the perfect example, but most dogs are similar.

Children left to themselves reinforce each other, dare each other, and it seems only a matter of time till they do something really stupid - not that times have changed much. But when I was a kid, the parents in my neighborhood worked together. There was an expected level of conduct and if things got out of hand the parents reclaimed their kids and all were taught. I should have cut down that maple tree....


This is awesome. I love it

nesecond
September 4th, 2007, 06:03 PM
I know of one downside at least. Every single person I know who has grown up being homeschooled has problems carrying on a normal conversation with other people. Even if they go to things outside of your homeschooling such as homeschool groups, 4-H, etc. they still act like a homeschooler. Not to sound harsh but you can really pick out someone who has been homeschooled from a crown of people who haven't. I'm not sure if I explained it well or not and of course there are exceptions. Also, you're not going to be able to homeschool your kids through college. They need experiance in an actual school evironment with other people their age. Just my two-cents.

MidnightCry
September 4th, 2007, 06:29 PM
I know of one downside at least. Every single person I know who has grown up being homeschooled has problems carrying on a normal conversation with other people. Even if they go to things outside of your homeschooling such as homeschool groups, 4-H, etc. they still act like a homeschooler. Not to sound harsh but you can really pick out someone who has been homeschooled from a crown of people who haven't. I'm not sure if I explained it well or not and of course there are exceptions. Also, you're not going to be able to homeschool your kids through college. They need experiance in an actual school evironment with other people their age. Just my two-cents.

How many adults DO you know who were homeschooled?

As an observer of graduated young adults in large our church -- about half homeschooled and half "schooled" -- I would say that the homeschooled kids seem much more polite, eloquent, more nicely dressed and more are pursuing admirable ambitions than the schooled young adults.

HSmomto4
September 4th, 2007, 07:50 PM
I know of one downside at least. Every single person I know who has grown up being homeschooled has problems carrying on a normal conversation with other people. Even if they go to things outside of your homeschooling such as homeschool groups, 4-H, etc. they still act like a homeschooler. Not to sound harsh but you can really pick out someone who has been homeschooled from a crown of people who haven't. I'm not sure if I explained it well or not and of course there are exceptions. Also, you're not going to be able to homeschool your kids through college. They need experiance in an actual school evironment with other people their age. Just my two-cents.

You have NOT a clue as to what you are talking about! There was a lady at our church who sounded JUST LIKE YOU and we were talking about how she could spot a HS child a mile away. I was just smiling and nodding and then she said, "I know your children are very popular girls in school because they are so outgoing and friendly, those poor HS children just aren't like your girls!" I laughed and told her we HSed. She turned bright red and she actually argued with me saying I was teasing her. My kids are VERY friendly and outgoing and anywhere we go they can make friends and jump right in. HS children are not backwards and introverts!

HSmomto4
September 4th, 2007, 07:55 PM
Let me also add that my oldest daughter is a performance dancer who has danced in front of THOUSANDS of people at a time and yes she does have to talk to them, shake hands and even sign autographs...HOW IS THAT NOT BEING ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE???

My 2nd daughter ice-skates as well as dances and she again has to talk to people ALL THE TIME!

There are people who shelter their children and hide them from the world, but they are not the norm! The only child I ever met who couldn't talk to someone and actually took over 2 years of knowing me to say hello was a girl from public school that went to my daughters dance studio. Shoot...most of the girls on my daughters dance team are homeschool! The very idea!

Cd4u_2
September 4th, 2007, 08:33 PM
I know of one downside at least. Every single person I know who has grown up being homeschooled has problems carrying on a normal conversation with other people. Even if they go to things outside of your homeschooling such as homeschool groups, 4-H, etc. they still act like a homeschooler. Not to sound harsh but you can really pick out someone who has been homeschooled from a crown of people who haven't. I'm not sure if I explained it well or not and of course there are exceptions. Also, you're not going to be able to homeschool your kids through college. They need experiance in an actual school evironment with other people their age. Just my two-cents.

I guess it depends on not able to understand the latest "cool" things. I remember going over to a friend's house who was homeschooled and was shocked that she still likes New kids on the block when they were out of style for years!!! And she wanted to talk about them, but we didn't. But now when since we all are adults, none of that matters anymore.

BTW, I was not homeschooled. I was public schooled and still can't carry on a conversation. But I am deaf too so I don't really count.