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Kathe
September 5th, 2007, 06:23 PM
The only things I said about public schools came from first hand experience graduating 4 kids through them. I watched them, watched their friends, watched their peers. We graduated our first in 2001 and just graduated our last (of the 4) this year. So we've public schooled since 1988. I've seen a lot.

Not saying you can't bring good kids up in the system, you can and we did but it was not easy fighting all of that junk.

This thread is not supposed to be a put down of the PS system but about negatives to homeschooling. Sometimes that can bleed in there and I'm sorry if I offended anyone who is public schooling their kids. From one who has BTDT, you just have to work a lot harder to keep Christ as a priority.

Kathe

nesecond
September 5th, 2007, 09:06 PM
Personally, I think it is more of a personality than anything else. If the mother have anxiety, more likely the child does too. And so homeschool suits them both because that's where they feel most comfortable. Public school will not cure them . I know alot of people with anxiety issues that went to public school. After they graduated, they still feel uncomfortable around people and avoid them. Majority of them apply for SSI from mental illness. So it really doesn't matter if they were homeschooled or public school, The results will still be the same.

I agree this is probably a factor. I haven't thought about it that way. I guess i kind of made a generalization when I said ALL. I just assumed it was the homeschooling that made them that way.

But I do have one question, what happens when they go to college? If they're not used to the school environment, do they have any trouble in college where the public school environment is taken to the extreme? I'm just curious. :idunno

Cd4u_2
September 5th, 2007, 09:24 PM
I agree this is probably a factor. I haven't thought about it that way. I guess i kind of made a generalization when I said ALL. I just assumed it was the homeschooling that made them that way.

But I do have one question, what happens when they go to college? If they're not used to the school environment, do they have any trouble in college where the public school environment is taken to the extreme? I'm just curious. :idunno

Most of them (the ones with mental illness such as anxiety) drop out of college or don't go at all. I know some people with this problem. They all went to public school, and some tried to go to college but their nerves got the best of them and they became disabled. It is actually easier when they are young but when they faced real responsibilities and stress and no longer have their parents it is very hard for that person to function. Rather they are homeschooled or public schooled, I think the results will probably be the same.

It may be possible those who were homeschooled could function better in the society better than those who were public schooled, but We will never know unless we do a research on two identical twins with mental illness, one do homeschool and one do regular school, and see what the results would be.

Cd4u_2
September 5th, 2007, 09:45 PM
Oh and btw,
I noticed between two sisters that is almost the same age. They were homeschooled. One is really shy and timid and wouldn't talk to me, but the other one was VERY open and confidence. like I said, it is the personality than anything else.

Both went to college just fine.

RRuth
September 5th, 2007, 10:53 PM
But I do have one question, what happens when they go to college? If they're not used to the school environment, do they have any trouble in college where the public school environment is taken to the extreme? I'm just curious. :idunno

Where do people get the misconception that home schoolers are "home" all the time? Most home schoolers I know are involved in co-ops.

RRuth
September 5th, 2007, 11:33 PM
At this moment in my kitchen are four little girls - ages 8, 6, 2, and 1, all sitting and coloring together. I have never heard the 8 year old say to the 6 year old "You can't play with me...only 4th graders are allowed here!" But I hear kids who go to public school say those kind of things all the time. Lisaann, I absolutely agree with what you said. Who says children are supposed to only spend time with children their own age? In the 6,000 years of human history I would think that is a relatively new concept.

Isn't that the truth! Your comment about 6000 years of history reminded me of a video my daughter and I watched this afternoon.

We were watching a history video about Mesopotamia. Archaeologists discovered clay tablets that were used for school lessons. A little boy had recorded on his tablet that he hoped his father would invite his teacher over to dinner, so that the teacher would be more kind to him. He said that his teacher gave him beatings several times a day. If I'm not mistaken, this was an Assyrian child. Back then, girls didn't go to school, but stayed home tending chores and cooking.

I thought that was an interesting glimpse into their culture.

MochaMel
September 5th, 2007, 11:34 PM
Loved your post RRuth!! ICAM.... :yay

HSmomto4
September 6th, 2007, 12:05 AM
I agree this is probably a factor. I haven't thought about it that way. I guess i kind of made a generalization when I said ALL. I just assumed it was the homeschooling that made them that way.

But I do have one question, what happens when they go to college? If they're not used to the school environment, do they have any trouble in college where the public school environment is taken to the extreme? I'm just curious. :idunno

Do you follow football any? If so you might have noticed that the head quarterback at the University of Florida is a homeschool grad. He never stepped one foot in a classroom.

Williams and Mary actively searches for homeschooled graduates.

Harvard...Yale...Duke...they all look for homeschoolers.

MOST kids who are homeschooled have no problem in college. They are well-rounded, self-motivators, haven't been limited to one way of learning, have an easier time keeping up with their studies and over all do better. No, studies, to the school systems horror, are showing the homeschooled students are doing VERY well in Universities. :nod

Inprayer
September 11th, 2007, 01:30 AM
I know of one downside at least. Every single person I know who has grown up being homeschooled has problems carrying on a normal conversation with other people. Even if they go to things outside of your homeschooling such as homeschool groups, 4-H, etc. they still act like a homeschooler. Not to sound harsh but you can really pick out someone who has been homeschooled from a crown of people who haven't. I'm not sure if I explained it well or not and of course there are exceptions. Also, you're not going to be able to homeschool your kids through college. They need experiance in an actual school evironment with other people their age. Just my two-cents.


I can imagine homeschooled kids might have a hard time having a so-called normal conversation with a public schooled kid.

They would be uncomfortable with taking the Lord's name in vain and using other swear words.
They most likely are not interested in the latest rap or hard rock music filled with sex, drugs, murder and swearing.

They might not be into the worship of Creation MORE than the Creator.
They might not be into Harry Potter or Goth, channeling, witches, etc.
They might not be too interested in who is sleeping with who.
They might not be into rebellion, drinking parties and or drugs.
They might not be comfortable with disrespecting adults.

Not all high school kids are into the world's ideas and ways, but enough are so that I can see how homeschooled kids could be ill at ease, but yet I do believe they would have a heart for those kids and might be praying for them as they tried to find common ground.

They might want to talk about Jesus and the Bible...and that would not seem normal for a worldly person.
This and many other issues could make it seem like they are unable to communicate, but its more that they love the Lord. If these are things that make them set aside from being normal, well then it is like the Bible says.....the world will not love us for loving God. Then this is to their credit, and is a plus rather than a minus.

Inprayer's wife

House of Light
September 11th, 2007, 10:28 AM
Kathe, I your posts above hit it. It isn't as if homeschooled kids don't know how to talk to kids their own age.....its the subject matter.....my kids are public schooled(hopefully for not much longer!!!) Their best friends are in two different families of 9 kids each that are homeschooled. Our kids relate to them. They understand respect of parents, and elders, morals, no cussing, they understand that God comes first. We have carefully watched over the few friendships my kids have at school. We usually end up sending the child home after reminding them for the 4th time that their is no cussing in our home, no hitting, no name calling. We don't have that problem with the homeschooled kids(we have a few ps friends that are from god fearing Families.....no problem there).

I have had a big time burden on my heart to take my kids out of public school. Right now, I would do it with the drop of a hat if I had the materials.....it just isn't in the budget at all. We pray about it everyday.....