Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[Surrender]

Because the OSNAS do not understand the spiritual implications behind it.What exactly does OSNAS mean?

Is that what some say, you are saved and then unsaved?

[Buzzardhut]

In Acts Chapter 5, the story of Ananias and Sapphira, do you think they were condemned to hell. They grieved the Holy Spirit and put God to the test.

(Acts 5:3) Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."
They were condemned to death, scripture does not say where they went after they died.
Most Christians grieve the Holy Spirit every day, I'm sure the sin unto death still occurs, we just don't realize it.
Lots of people committed to Christianity after that incident in Acts 5, it was definitely not a seeker service.

[Buzzardhut]

Hi Adam and Buzz. The story of the PS... didn't the son turn back to the Father? Those who are converted will turn back at some point, right? But what if one who claimed Christ as Savior lived a life of sin right up until his death? That is not a picture of the PS. No repentance.
Now you are making repentance a work because he is already a son.
He was already his son, even after death he would still be his son.

[Buzzardhut]

What exactly does OSNAS mean?

Is that what some say, you are saved and then unsaved?
Once Saved Not Always Saved

[Buzzardhut]

Yes, but the prodical had to turn from his ways and come back home.
For fellowship, not for inheritance.
Jesus does not disown those who are His, those that have become a part of His body, for He cannot disown Himself..

[Buzzardhut]

So if a person puts their faith in Jesus, and repents wholeheartedly then 5 years down the road wants nothing to do with God, kills, murders, steals, lies and never repents the rest of his life. He is still saved , he just loses a few rewards??? Then OSAS believers say " He was never saved to begin with more than likely" my question to you is how do you know? Can you judge a man's heart? I like how Paul washer says it " Salvation is by faith and faith alone , and its followed by repentence, but are you still continuing to believe and to repent? If your not I would have to say you didnt lose your salvation you gave that free gift back, and said thanks, Jesus, but no thanks. I dont think its one little sin or none of us would ever make it. I see so many people today living in sin saying I am saved OSAS!!! Well they were never really saved or they wouldnt live that way says the masses. In my opinion you can be born a born spirtually and you can die spirtually REV 3:16 says alot to me, not trying to offend anyone I know we all live for Christ, but I could never tell someone sinning is ok wether you think you are telling them that or not when you tell certain people OSAS, you basically are.
Yes, they must judge themselves and make sure of their salvation.

[Surrender]

Now you are making repentance a work because he is already a son.
He was already his son, even after death he would still be his son.Repentance is a work... a work of the Holy Spirit. Because he is a son, he will repent because the Holy Spirit convicts him.

The one who lives in sin until their death was never a son whether he claimed to know Jesus or not. It is not about whether we know Jesus ("claim to know") but does He know us. If He lives in us, He will convict us and our lives will reflect that.

:scratch Did you mean something else?

[Buzzardhut]

Repentance is a work... a work of the Holy Spirit. Because he is a son, he will repent because the Holy Spirit convicts him.

I see repentance used towards salvation, turning from sin and turning to Jesus, and yes, it can only be done through the power of the Holy Spirit's help
It is not a work. It is an act.
Turning around, walking to a table, and opening a free gift is not a work.
I see work involving paying for sin.
Someone else worked to purchase the free gift, otherwise the free gift would not exist.


The one who lives in sin until their death was never a son whether he claimed to know Jesus or not. It is not about whether we know Jesus ("claim to know") but does He know us. If He lives in us, He will convict us and our lives will reflect that.
:scratch Did you mean something else?
Repentance is part of the salvation process, "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out Acts 3:19
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" Luke 13:3,5

I am using the term for those not yet regenerated.
Saved people can die because of their sin or the indirect sins of others, such as a driving accident while intoxicated.

The case is position of spirit Vs. condition of flesh, the two do not always reflect each other.

A regenerated believer can forsake sins and this is also done through the Holy Spirit's help.
Christians need to stay clean from sin but not for salvation or inheritance but for fellowship with Jesus and the invisible church.

[adam423]

Yes, Jesus tells the religious but lost at the Great White Throne; "I never knew you".
He does not say, "I used to know you but not anymore"
That would have been the perfect time to teach NAS if it were so, or to teach religion does get you into heaven.

Actually!

As a former backslidder, I need to make a further comment. I know FOR A FACT, that I was saved when I was younger and bore fruit through my teen years. When I backslide as an adult, God never stopped bugging me. I felt guilty of sin, I felt God bugging me! I went to a chapel service and cried the entire time because God's presences was so overwhelming to me in that place.

In thinking about my daughter who is away from Christ and backslidden, I feared that if she died she wouldn't go to heaven. But after the other day when the lightbulb about the prodigal son went off, I know that she would be there!

Just like with me...even though I haven't talked to her in over two years, haven't seen her longer than that, she's still my daughter. NOTHING...can earse that fact. And if she were to call me today, I would, like in the story, take her in my arms and welcome her home.

But now while she is living in the "pig slop" I'm out of fellowship with her, but she's not out of my family. I trust God to do the work of conviction in her heart. Someday, if she never comes home on earth, I will meet her in heaven where I can see her and tell her how much I ALWAYS loved her because she is my child.

[goodboy]

Once Saved Always Saved?



First of all let me say as Christians, as long as we share the belief that acceptance of Jesus Christ as your savoir is the ONLY way to get to Heaven, then anything else should not divide us. That being said, I do believe that once you are saved, you are always saved.

There are two things that should be understood though. The first is that just because someone says the sinner’s payer does not necessarily mean they are saved. This would depend on the motives the person has for saying the prayer. Did they say the prayer to be accepted by you or the group? Did they say the prayer so you would stop annoying them? Did they say the prayer because they were so hyped up on emotion that it seemed like something to do? These are just some of the motives that would not be honored by God, as true acceptance. Meaning these people would not be truly saved. In contrast, anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their savoir, because they either believe this is the way to God and Heaven, or even suspect that it’s the way, will be saved.

How then do we know if someone is saved? Jesus says “we will know them by their fruit” or the things they do which promote the Gospel. This can be as simple as your Christian walk, or actually verbally sharing your faith. So then, we do have a way of telling if someone is saved. This is useful, so we can establish who we should fellowship and/or associate with.
How do we know who is not saved? We don’t! We are however, instructed not to judge. Though I may be able to say with some certainty that someone is saved, I cannot say who is not saved. Only God knows who is not, or will not be saved. While as I sated, knowing who is saved can be very useful, knowing who is not saved is not necessary, or any of our business. What about sharing the Gospel? Don’t we need to know who is not saved so we can share with them? That’s easy, share with anyone who you are not sure is saved. Even if they are already saved, if it’s not apparent, maybe you can motivate them.

The second thing that should be understood is that there is punishment for sin even to a believer. It’s just that the punishment is not eternal, it’s here and now! When I use to go sharing on the street, I would see someone who was drunk and dressed in rags and think “now that person really needs Christ!’ Well many times it would turn out that they already knew and accepted Christ. Then why were they most miserable? Because they were not walking in the truth that they knew. They were continuing to sin expecting the pleasure they had received in the past. But as a “new creature” sin no longer gave them pleasure (except for a moment), but made them remorseful and sad. So though someone who is truly saved can go on intentionally sinning, it certainly is not the smartest thing to do.

Why do I believe once saved always saved? For a number of reasons, for one thing, this is what I was taught by the group I worshiped with when I got saved. But the main reason is very simple and something anyone can understand. The Bible says that salvation is a Free Gift (Romans 5:15-16, Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8). You don’t have to be a scholar to understand what a gift is, or what is required to receive a gift. The ONLY requirement is that you accept it. If someone gave you something as a gift and later told you they would take the gift back because of what you did or didn’t do, wouldn’t you consider them to be dishonest? Isn’t this what we consider to be dishonest sales practices? Do you really think that this is how a righteous God deals with people?

I was recently offered a $75 gift for test driving a Land Rover. Land Rover of course expected me to buy the SUV after my test drive. I did not buy one. Should Land Rover take back my $75 gift? Of course not! I did what was required, which was to test drive the SUV. Then why should God take back my salvation? I did what was required, which was to accept Jesus Christ as my savior.

I say with authority “ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED”, but will not allow this issues to separate me from other Christ centered Christians.

Goodboy