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SherAnna07
April 2nd, 2008, 11:27 PM
Hi Twinkle,
Behind all sin lies a need that only the Lord can meet. Thats a horrible thing that has happened to that 50 some year old lady. This man she is committing adultery with cannot meet her needs the way the Lord can. In scripture we see Jesus meeting the needs of people in sin. An example was the woman at the well who had quite a number of affairs and needed to see that only Jesus could meet her deepest needs. There are a number of options for her to take. First and foremost should be prayer and then she needs to go to area churches and explain the situation to the pastor. I personally knew of a lady who was on her own with a child and needed transportation to go to a job. All she did was visit a church on a Sunday morning and wrote a prayer request for maybe someone selling a car, and she put it in the offering plate as it was passed. Within a few days someone called her and gave her a fairly new car. She didn't pay a dime for it, she just had to get the insurance. Miracles happen and the Lord does not want this lady to resort to sin to get a problem straightened out. This adversity in her life is a time to exercise some faith. God loves her and wants to rescue her. She needs to ask Him in prayer to be her husband and He will. He will be her provider and lover of her soul.

Glory in print
April 3rd, 2008, 11:39 AM
Are certain sins worse or less worse than others? This is a question that has been bothering me today. Does God think that all sins are equally as bad, or that some are just "the lesser evil?"

Thanks.My opinion is this: That sin is a transgression of Gods laws, and therefore a direct rebellion toward God, but I do not believe that all sin is equal in vileness....For example a petty liar, and thief, compared to a rapist, murderer, or child molester...I don't think these sins when compared together are equal I believe some sins are more vile than others, and that some sins bring worse punishment for unrepentant sinners in hell....Like can we really think that in Gods perfect justice will have a petty thief experience the equal amount of eternal punishment as a mass murderer like hitler..Another example look at homosexuality its a sin, but this sin is called an abomination to God while not all sins listed in the bible are called abominations..So in my opinion not all sins are equal.

BlessedinHim
April 3rd, 2008, 06:06 PM
Another example look at homosexuality its a sin, but this sin is called an abomination to God while not all sins listed in the bible are called abominations

disagree with ya there, I used to think the same thing. But if you search it out, you will see what the bible says about it.


Proverbs 12:22
Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.



Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.


Proverbs 15:26
The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the LORD: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.


Proverbs 16:5
Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.


Proverbs 6:16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

harvest
April 4th, 2008, 02:21 AM
James 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

John 19:11 Jesus answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."

There's also another scripture that I couldn't find that mentioned something about being sent to the "deepest" part of hell or something.

That to me says that if there's stricter judgement and a deepest part of hell, then there must be sins worse than others. :thumb

We know Jesus paid the price for all sins, but that doesn't mean that there aren't higher degrees of sins. Sin is sin, but the scripture above seems to indicate some sins being judged harsher than others.

freespirit
April 4th, 2008, 03:06 AM
All sins are equally the same in the sense that, unless you confess and repent
of your sins, whatever they are , simple or horrific, the end result of your sins
will be the same. exclusion from God's Grace.

BlessedinHim
April 4th, 2008, 04:08 AM
The differerence tho, is not based on the sin itself, but on the level of the knowledge and understanding of sin.


Luke 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

The difference of punishment is not found in the sin, but the sinner.

harvest
April 5th, 2008, 05:01 AM
The differerence tho, is not based on the sin itself, but on the level of the knowledge and understanding of sin.



The difference of punishment is not found in the sin, but the sinner.

Good point. That's what makes the topic question difficult to answer. Your answer can be taken as supportive of "sins worse or less than others", and also can be taken as not supportive.
While it is the knowledge of the sin that makes it worse, nevertheless it still can be viewed as a "worse" sin because of this fact.

It's an amibigious question and answer, and depending on who's reading the question, it'll be viewed differently. :thumb

truthseeker815
April 5th, 2008, 05:49 AM
Good point. That's what makes the topic question difficult to answer. Your answer can be taken as supportive of "sins worse or less than others", and also can be taken as not supportive.
While it is the knowledge of the sin that makes it worse, nevertheless it still can be viewed as a "worse" sin because of this fact.

It's an amibigious question and answer, and depending on who's reading the question, it'll be viewed differently. :thumb

So are you saying there's no answer to the OP or no one's actually come to a conclusion-kinda like a stalemate?:scratch just wondering:thinking

Born2worshipHim
April 5th, 2008, 07:16 AM
Are certain sins worse or less worse than others? This is a question that has been bothering me today. Does God think that all sins are equally as bad, or that some are just "the lesser evil?"

Thanks.




1 John 1:1-10

1] That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2] (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)
3] That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4] And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Doesn't it seem that as long as a person has a spirit, soul and body, is sincerely sorry, and use their will to say I'm sorry for whatever they have done before taking their last breath; they would be forgiven? I understand that after death you are where you are.

harvest
April 5th, 2008, 01:42 PM
So are you saying there's no answer to the OP or no one's actually come to a conclusion-kinda like a stalemate?:scratch just wondering:thinking

Well I think there can be different elements to the question. I'm not sure where the OP is coming from.

Is he worried of some sin he committed and questioning his judgement or salvation?
Is it just an open question as to stricter judgement for the unsaved?
Is the reaping of certain sins going to be more severe than other sins?

We know that Jesus died for all sins so it doesn't matter what you've done, because He's paid the price for all sins. Yes, there can be more severe reaping than others, and we're also judged more by what we've heard. But as Christians, the bema seat(judgement seat) is not for judging, but for our rewards.
Also, we know God hates all sin, but loves the sinner. So if we just remember that, then we shouldn't be looking at sin as "minor" or "major". That can be a trap that the enemy can use to get us to commit "minor" sins.(I'm sure we all can agree that we've experienced that before.)

So I guess to answer your question, I think we have a few "rabbit trails", but we can still come to a conclusion. :thumb