View Full Version : Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?
blitzkreig
May 11th, 2007, 08:00 PM
So you mean then that the tribulation saints (those saved after the rapture) aren't really saved? What so you believe "really saved" meansvin the context of the tribulation saints?
LaMontre
May 11th, 2007, 08:01 PM
What so you believe "really saved" meansvin the context of the tribulation saints?
Read further up.....:)
blitzkreig
May 11th, 2007, 08:01 PM
John was written to this point: "These things I have written to you who believe in the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.(1 John 5:13)." Notice that the Apostle says you now have eternal life. We don't get eternal life after we die... we have it right now, when we believe.
Now, let's follow this idea to its logical conclusion. If we know we have eternal life when we believe in Jesus, how long does eternal life last? Can you have eternal life for a year? A week? A day? If words mean anything at all, then eternal life must be eternal. It must last forever! Eternal life by definition cannot be lost.
Let's look at it another way. What sin is so big that Jesus' death could not atone for it? There is none that I know of (we'll exclude for the moment the passage of Mark 3:28-30, as it really doesn't apply here). Every sin that man can commit against God and man, even the most heinous was dealt with at the cross of Calvary. If this is so, then what sin can be so bad that it would cause God to "unforgive" that which He has already paid for? Romans 8:38-39 explicitly states this, saying "For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." I am a created thing. The verse above states that created things cannot separate us from the love of God, therefore I cannot separate myself from the love of God, either!
Welcome Weirdo4Christ ... :thumbup
blitzkreig
May 11th, 2007, 08:02 PM
Read further up.....:)Further up doesn't answer the question ...
What is the promise to the "overcomer" ... the Tribulation Saint?
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blitzkreig
May 11th, 2007, 08:06 PM
The answer to my question is the promise to the Tribulation Saint is entry into the Messianic Kingdom ... The Land.
The Tribulation Saint isn't a member of the Body of Christ, the Church. The Jew has gone full circle ... back under the Law of Moses.
LaMontre
May 11th, 2007, 08:08 PM
Further up doesn't answer the question ...
What is the promise to the "overcomer" ... the Tribulation Saint?
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Are you here defending something, or do you have a purpose in interjecting into the conversation?
I am attempting to get some clarification on a point here, if you don't mind??
We both know what our differences are, and this isn't the right context for it.
goinghome
May 11th, 2007, 08:09 PM
So you mean then that the tribulation saints (those saved after the rapture) aren't really saved?
Sorry I'm not writing very clearly or something. I do think the saints who are saved after the rapture, saved during the tribulation are really saved. But those before the rapture who were just talking the talk but not really saved, will not go in the rapture. That is what I mean by make believers.
Am I just making it worse now? Maybe somebody else could state it better.
LaMontre
May 11th, 2007, 08:13 PM
Sorry I'm not writing very clearly or something. I do think the saints who are saved after the rapture, saved during the tribulation are really saved. But those before the rapture who were just talking the talk but not really saved, will not go in the rapture. That is what I mean by make believers.
Am I just making it worse now? Maybe somebody else could state it better.
No thats fine, I wasn't clear on your point thats all.....
jayna
May 11th, 2007, 09:02 PM
JUSTASINNERSAVEDBYGRACE,
Thank you so much for sharing this. I'm so sorry for your loss also and one day I just know we will all see each other again in heaven. Praise God!!
I totally agree with this:
I beleive we are to try to confess our sins and repent of them, but that is not always possible. I know sometimes I sin and don't realize it until later that I did. If one is to die without confessing that sin, does our loving Father
condemn us to hell because of it? If I got angry with my daughter on the way back from the store and died in an accident on the way home, would God not allow me to go to heaven because of my unconfessed and unrepented sin? The Word does tell us that God so LOVED the world...and that he wishes that NONE should perish... As a parent myself, I know that although sometimes we get upset when our children screw up, I have yet to have them ever do anything for which I could not forgive them and continue to love them. I think that is the way Father looks at us. His word does say we are His adopted sons and daughters, and I believe that He truly loves us.
And I think of the prodigal son. :)
blitzkreig
May 11th, 2007, 09:19 PM
Are you here defending something, or do you have a purpose in interjecting into the conversation?
I am attempting to get some clarification on a point here, if you don't mind??
We both know what our differences are, and this isn't the right context for it.Sorry. In the reorganization and all ... I didn't realize you were made in charge of all discussions.
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