Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[yeshuasavedme]

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”[a] says the Lord.[b] And again, “The LORD will judge His people.”[c] 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 32 But recall the former days in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings: 33 partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations, and partly while you became companions of those who were so treated; 34 for you had compassion on me[d] in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.[e] 35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. 36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:
37 “ For yet a little while,
And He[f] who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the[g]just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”[h]


Need I dissect this to explain that backsliders will not go in the Rapture nor into the Kingdom.


As it says: The Lord will judge HIS people-unbelievers are not HIS people.

This is talking to and about believers who "cast away' their confidence which is in Christ Jesus.

"But if anyone draws back (backslides), My soul will have no pleasure in him".

"if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries"

this verse plainly says it, there no longer remains a sacrifice (the redemptive blood of Jesus) for those who willfully sin after we have received the truth into our hearts.

28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

So, if we willfully lead a sinful lifestyle then there will be even worse punishment.

Yes, we may all get irritatable sometimes and say things that we wish we shouldn't but we repent as we feel bad about it.

However, living a lifestyle of willful, premeditated sin like fornication, adultrey, lying, pornography, drug abuse. unforgiveness towards others etc can cause you to fall into the hands of the Living God and you end will be worse than your beginning, before you knew the truth.

Jesus would not have had to repeatedly warn us to be ready, if we did not have to worry about being left behind due to our lifestyle.


It is like you told your child repeatedly that you were taking them to a really fun kid's playland type place and they had to be ready and have obeyed and cleaned their room and packed their belongings and when you returned home you would take them. You warned them they had to be ready over and over.

You come home and they have totally disobeyed you. In fact, they have trashed the house and are speaking disrespectfully to you . Would you or should you take them?

[yeshuasavedme]

*edit*

There once was a man who he and his friends partied and caroused and ran around with women. He got saved and told his friends that he could still party and carouse and run around with women. His friends were esctatic "You can?!!!

He replied, "Yes, I just don't want to "

Christians should not want the sinful lifestyle and should be able to resist the temptatioms with the help of the Holy Spirit and by crucifying the flesh (daily).

Don't put yourselves in sinful situations or around bad company.

Don't put sinful music or TV or movies into your mind.

We are called to NOT be of this world.


satan causes many to stumble and fall with the above devices.

[Westcoast7]

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”[a] says the Lord.[b] And again, “The LORD will judge His people.”[c] 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 32 But recall the former days in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings: 33 partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations, and partly while you became companions of those who were so treated; 34 for you had compassion on me[d] in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.[e] 35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. 36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:
37 “ For yet a little while,
And He[f] who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the[g]just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”[h]


Need I dissect this to explain that backsliders will not go in the Rapture nor into the Kingdom.


As it says: The Lord will judge HIS people-unbelievers are not HIS people.

This is talking to and about believers who "cast away' their confidence which is in Christ Jesus.

"But if anyone draws back (backslides), My soul will have no pleasure in him".

"if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries"

this verse plainly says it, there no longer remains a sacrifice (the redemptive blood of Jesus) for those who willfully sin after we have received the truth into our hearts.

28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

So, if we willfully lead a sinful lifestyle then there will be even worse punishment.

Yes, we may all get irritatable sometimes and say things that we wish we shouldn't but we repent as we feel bad about it.

However, living a lifestyle of willful, premeditated sin like fornication, adultrey, lying, pornography, drug abuse. unforgiveness towards others etc can cause you to fall into the hands of the Living God and you end will be worse than your beginning, before you knew the truth.

Jesus would not have had to repeatedly warn us to be ready, if we did not have to worry about being left behind due to our lifestyle.


It is like you told your child repeatedly that you were taking them to a really fun kid's playland type place and they had to be ready and have obeyed and cleaned their room and packed their belongings and when you returned home you would take them. You warned them they had to be ready over and over.

You come home and they have totally disobeyed you. In fact, they have trashed the house and are speaking disrespectfully to you . Would you or should you take them?

I totally agree! Even if we have accepted Jesus Christ as our personal Savior, we must repent and be baptized. What is "to repent"? To repent is to turn away from sin, which is the transgression of God's Law. His Law is the 10 Commandments! So many of us Christians profess to be "born again" but unknowingly or willfully violate the first 4 commandments which relate to our relationship with God, particularly No.4 on keeping the Sabbath and the Feast Days!

[Hootmon]

One more thought, *edit*.That isnt OSAS...

[jadeeyes]

OSAS is not from Satan and As a believer in OSAS, I do not believe nor was I ever taught that I am not accountable. I will someday stand before the Judgement Seat of Christ. My behaviour and motives since becoming a believer will be judged. Sinful behaviour and self centered motives will be burned up as wood, hay and stubble. The right behaviour resulting from my love for and gratitude to the Lord for His grace and mercy will become gold, silver and precious gems. I think you need to be very careful here because I believe your statement, at the very least, borders on blasphemy. I also believe that it may violate the rules because this board believes OSAS.

[gratefulberean]

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”[a] says the Lord.[b] And again, “The LORD will judge His people.”[c] 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 32 But recall the former days in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings: 33 partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations, and partly while you became companions of those who were so treated; 34 for you had compassion on me[d] in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.[e] 35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. 36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:
37 “ For yet a little while,
And He[f] who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the[g]just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”[h]


Need I dissect this to explain that backsliders will not go in the Rapture nor into the Kingdom.


As it says: The Lord will judge HIS people-unbelievers are not HIS people.

This is talking to and about believers who "cast away' their confidence which is in Christ Jesus.

"But if anyone draws back (backslides), My soul will have no pleasure in him".

"if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries"

this verse plainly says it, there no longer remains a sacrifice (the redemptive blood of Jesus) for those who willfully sin after we have received the truth into our hearts.

28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

So, if we willfully lead a sinful lifestyle then there will be even worse punishment.

Yes, we may all get irritatable sometimes and say things that we wish we shouldn't but we repent as we feel bad about it.

However, living a lifestyle of willful, premeditated sin like fornication, adultrey, lying, pornography, drug abuse. unforgiveness towards others etc can cause you to fall into the hands of the Living God and you end will be worse than your beginning, before you knew the truth.

Jesus would not have had to repeatedly warn us to be ready, if we did not have to worry about being left behind due to our lifestyle.


It is like you told your child repeatedly that you were taking them to a really fun kid's playland type place and they had to be ready and have obeyed and cleaned their room and packed their belongings and when you returned home you would take them. You warned them they had to be ready over and over.

You come home and they have totally disobeyed you. In fact, they have trashed the house and are speaking disrespectfully to you . Would you or should you take them?

WOW! That's not much of a message of hope! Have you never, ever "backslidden"? The bible instructs me that ALL HAVE SINNED. Our flesh continues to do so even though we are saved. Of course, we should have a repentant heart, but I must tell you, I fall short each and every day. Under my own power, I am a useless wretch. I must have faith in the Holy Spirit to continue the process of not conforming to the world and to renew my mind. If I were to take the stance you have laid out, I would be an emotional wreck knowing that I am damned for all of eternity! Thankfully, I walk in confidence that Jesus blood is sufficient!:yeah:yeah:yeah

[acceptedintheBeloved]

The writer of Hebrews was cautioning those Hebrew believers not to fall back into their old way of thinking, which was that they had to "keep the Law" in order to "be saved" or "to maintain their salvation." (Notice verse 38 in particular, in that passage. "The just shall live by FAITH.") They were tempted and greatly pressured to fall back into that old way of thinking (generally speaking.)

[Cheryl4Christ]

Biblenuggetlady and Rae, I agree 100% with everything you have stated and in the scriptures you have presented. I don't believe we can lose our salvation. I believe once saved always saved.

The parable that keeps coming to mind is the prodical son. The father was standing there with arms opened wide for the son who had strayed. He didn't say, sorry son, I once gave you your lot and you plundered it away and made a mess of your life. Sorry I never knew you. No he welcomed him back in with the finest feast. Once a son always a son.

But, I do acknowledge that some say they are Christian, and they are not. Jesus knows their true hearts.

In Christ,
Cheryl

[Biblenuggetlady]

Some folks posting in this thread might want to check our rules and doctrinal statements again. We support the Biblical OSAS doctrine and do not allow promotion of false interpretations of scripture here. It sows doubts and confusion. Believers are sealed when they are saved and will go in the rapture. Rewards can be lost, but the rapture is not a reward, it is a PROMISE to His Bride, the Church.

[jgreen0227]

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