Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[HEpaid4me]

Ezekiel 3:20
Again, if a righteousness person turns from his righteousness and commits injustice, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die. Because you have not warned him, he shall die for his sin, and his righteous deeds that he has done shall not be remembered...

I Cor. 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be decieved: neither the sexually imoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves nor the greedy, nor drunkerds, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the Kingdom of God

Matt. 7:13-14, 19-23
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

19 Every tree that bringeth NOT forth GOOD FRUIT is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name done many wonderful workds?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that worker of iniquity.

Luke 22:3
Then entered Satan entered into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

To begin why would Jesus choose Judas to be the orginal 12 desciples if Jesus knew Judas would not choose Christ when Jesus chose the th 12. It was Judas' choice to turn from Christ and sin against Jesus. Therefor he was a believer in Christ Jesus then sinned and Satan entered into Judas. Yes you can loose your salvation as Judas did. Yes Judas truely believed in Jesus and followed Jesus.

If one recieves salvation today and tomorrow starts commiting sin again and does not repent, he/she shall loose his/her salvation because of their sin. This salvation is not a part time commitment but all time commitment.

So I guess Aldoff Hitler is in heaven. His mother and he grew up in church and he was once a christian, so is he in heaven?

Jim Jones he started out as a Bible teacher(teaching the truth) and gave his life to Christ, in the end he killed hundreds of people because of his false teaching(started teaching himself to be God). So I guess he is up in heaven with a SPOTLESS ROBE?

Ephesians 5:27
That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or anysuch thing; but that it should be HOLY and WITHOUT BLEMISH.

2 Peter 3:14
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, WITHOUT SPOT, AND BLAMELESS.

[No2Flesh]

"If one recieves salvation today and tomorrow starts commiting sin again and does not repent, he/she shall loose his/her salvation because of their sin. This salvation is not a part time commitment but all time commitment."

Im sure glad thats not in my Bible.
There would be no hope.


1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[HeIsEnough]

If one recieves salvation today and tomorrow starts commiting sin again and does not repent, he/she shall loose his/her salvation because of their sin. This salvation is not a part time commitment but all time commitment.

So I guess Aldoff Hitler is in heaven. His mother and he grew up in church and he was once a christian, so is he in heaven?

Jim Jones he started out as a Bible teacher(teaching the truth) and gave his life to Christ, in the end he killed hundreds of people because of his false teaching(started teaching himself to be God). So I guess he is up in heaven with a SPOTLESS ROBE?




Romans 3

God's Faithfulness

1What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? 2Much in every way! First of all, they have been entrusted with the very words of God. 3What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God's faithfulness? 4Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written:
"So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge."[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=3&version=31#fen-NIV-27981a)]
5But if our unrighteousness brings out God's righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) 6Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? 7Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?" 8Why not say—as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say—"Let us do evil that good may result"? Their condemnation is deserved.


There is no conditional clause of being justified by faith, and there is also no mocking God in that a man who slaghters millions of men like cattle can lay claim to God's justification. If we were to judge by fruit, we would have to conclude Hitler has no part in God. The Lord knows who are His, even if someone lays claim to the title "christian." Better yet:


Matthew 15:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=15&verse=8&version=31&context=verse)
" 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."


I think the Lord left no escape clause for Hitler and those like him.

[stevenw56]

That passage
If you're referring to the contemporary "ask Jesus into my heart and be my Savior" type salvation - yeah, God can turn His back on 'em. Those people have not been born again.

I don't understand your statement. How else does one get saved unless they ask Jesus to come into their heart and be their savior?

[Eternally]

I don't understand your statement. How else does one get saved unless they ask Jesus to come into their heart and be their savior?


Can I answer this? (and anyone else, of course)

What they mean is those many many people that we all know that make a profession of faith in WORDS only.

They don't truly transform or give their lives to Christ, trusting in Him completely.

[stevenw56]

Can I answer this? (and anyone else, of course)

What they mean is those many many people that we all know that make a profession of faith in WORDS only.

They don't truly transform or give their lives to Christ, trusting in Him completely.

Well this is a debate for another thread at another time.

[Vickimac]

If one recieves salvation today and tomorrow starts commiting sin again and does not repent, he/she shall loose his/her salvation because of their sin. This salvation is not a part time commitment but all time commitment.

So I guess Aldoff Hitler is in heaven. His mother and he grew up in church and he was once a christian, so is he in heaven?



I believe Hitler [and Jones for that matter] fall into the "depart from me - I NEVER knew you" category:

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?


Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If it were possible to lose your salvation by committing a sin, then the Lord died in vain. Think about that. He does not need to be crucified again for future sin, he died once for all sin.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


Rom 6:15 ¶ What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

[HEpaid4me]

[QUOTE=No2Flesh;668168]

Im sure glad thats not in my Bible.
There would be no hope.

Then what Bible are you reading, look it up for yourself, I would not take scripture from the Bible if it were not true!

Can you pls explain to me what Ezekiel 3:20 and Matt 7:19 means.

I mean it is plain and simple if you do not live a righteous life(sinless or ask for forgiveness of sins) then you will die and your "good" deeds will not be remembered.

If you do not produce good fruit(profess Jesus and live a life as Jesus would depart from sin) then you will be cut down. In other words if you "act" like a christian and not have a heart of a christian and do not ask for forgivness of sin then yes you will be thrown down in lake of fire and die.

Or is there another verse in "your" Bible in which I am not understanding?:scratch

I mean it takes more than just believing, Doesn't satan believe in Jesus and His power, if not then why is satan fighting so hard for our souls? So isn't this belief in God's infinite power and the mere pride of satan, knowing that one day he thinks he may have a chance to overcome God and His army.

This is belief in Jesus, so those who just "believe" are okay mmmm....:faint

It takes more than just "believing" in Jesus, showing your fruits and living a life of righteousness and sustaining from all sin. I mean "just believing" in Jesus is just too easy, Paul said he had to repent daily, that is more than "just believing", that is living life for Jesus.

Rev. 3:4-5
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy

5 He that overcometh,the same shall be clothed in white raiment: and I will not blot out his name of the book of life. but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

The godly, believing remnant who are WORTHY should strengthen the things which remain. White garments represent righteousness, which the faithless ones have defiled.

The one who has genuine faith in Christ has the righteousness of Christ accounted to him through the redeeming blood of the Lamb. This is the white raiment. We all know what the Book of Life is. This promisE not to blot out his name out of the book of life is an emphatic assurance of the eternal security of the TRUE BELIEVER.

If Paul had to repent daily, shouldn't we? Those who don't repent, they are "once saved always saved" or "will not loose their salvation" and going to heaven no matter what they do or live, just as long as they said a "sinners prayer" ?:shocked

[No2Flesh]

"It takes more than just "believing" in Jesus, showing your fruits and living a life of righteousness and sustaining from all sin.

You probably mean "abstaining" and not one here, including yourself can get rid of "all" sin in this lifetime.

When we accept Christ His righteouness is imputed to us...deposited in our account.

We then live to the best of our ability to be like Him out of appreciation
and obedience. Yet we still fall short.

So Thank God for His Grace.


:wave

[HeIsEnough]

Good Afternoon, new to this so I'm asking for patience, I am not sure what it means to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and since it is the Trinity how can it be only the Holy Spirit that is blasphemed? Please remember I am new here and aparently ignorant, just looking for help!!!!

Interesting question.

God is a triune being, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The scriptures declare that no man has seen the Father, and that we beheld the glory of the Son.

Jesus stated that blasphemies against Him would be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit would not. We know at the very least this was in reference to the forgiveness available after the cross, to even those who pierced Him.

There is, in my opinion, an aspect of the Spirit's work that is not well known or not taught about much. Partly because the scriptures do not go into a great amount of detail.

Jesus tells us that when He left, the Spirit would convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment:



John 16

The Work of the Holy Spirit

5"Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, 'Where are you going?' 6Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. 7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2016&version=31#fen-NIV-26724a)] in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. We believe in Christ by faith (not by sight), it is a sin not to. Some would argue it is actually THE sin in the age of grace, because all other sins will be forgiven man (past, present and future) if they come to Him for forgiveness.

We have the imputed righteousness of Christ when we believe.

So, this activity is actually carried out by the Counselor, in the innermost parts of a man's soul. In affect, the Spirit comes along side a man to fellowship, and the man must receive Him. To reject the Spirit in this, is to blaspheme the Spirit. And I believe is even more evidential than seeing with our eyes, it is the Spirit of God in direct contact with the spirit of man (imo). It is in a sense a function of time, because this did not happen until Christ left, and the evidence, or testimony, the Spirit gives to a man is overwhelming, he has no excuse to not believe, because the Spirit will give us the power to believe. He also says the Spirit will convict the world of this, so that leaves no man with excuse, however the Lord carries that out.