Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[goinghome]

"Who was the Word, Jesus or the Christ of Heaven? Who BECAME Flesh, Jesus or the Christ of Heaven? Who was the Son of man, Jesus. Who was the Son of God, Jesus... Jesus Christ in ACTUALITY was always Son of man-Son of God. However, When He said "It is finished" made Jesus, the Man, purely King of Kings in Human Flesh, the first of first fruits."

Here are some honest sincere questions from me, with answers, and a statement from me concerning Jesus Christ. It still goes unresponded to. It was in response to someones post who wanted clarity, I think. No one yet has said whether they agree or disagree but have simply iqnored it. So there youare LaM , GoingH and whomever else. I am still waiting for an affirmation or a rebuttal.

I believe that Jesus, The Word, The Son of Man, The Son of God, and the Christ of Heaven, as you put it are one and the same. Indistinguishable. The entire Bible supports this. It cannot be refuted on a Christian board. It can be refuted in many cults who call themselves Christians by cherry picking scriptures and taking them so far out of context that one is forced to create a cult religion just to accommodate them. We, or I should just say I, cannot discuss the statements as you have put them because they are theologically irrational to me and to all Christians. He was/ is always King of Kings, even before He said "it is finished". It is finished was Him telling us that the sacrifice for our sins was at that moment completed. When you say "purely" the king of kings in human flesh, this statement is indicative of an erroneous belief in another religion. That's why we are asking you to clarify your statements, clarify your beliefs, tell us which "sect" of Christianity you are speaking from. If you are from one of the, let's just say more DISTANTLY related sects of Christianity, and using your posted scriptures and commentaries to draw us out so that you can convert us to your sect of "Christianity", it is not working, we're not taking the bait. That again is why, if you want responses from us, you must clarify your position completely. Thanks for hanging in there with us.

[Ormly]

I believe that Jesus, The Word, The Son of Man, The Son of God, and the Christ of Heaven, as you put it are one and the same. Indistinguishable. The entire Bible supports this. It cannot be refuted on a Christian board. It can be refuted in many cults who call themselves Christians by cherry picking scriptures and taking them so far out of context that one is forced to create a cult religion just to accommodate them. We, or I should just say I, cannot discuss the statements as you have put them because they are theologically irrational to me and to all Christians. He was/ is always King of Kings, even before He said "it is finished". It is finished was Him telling us that the sacrifice for our sins was at that moment completed. When you say "purely" the king of kings in human flesh, this statement is indicative of an erroneous belief in another religion. That's why we are asking you to clarify your statements, clarify your beliefs, tell us which "sect" of Christianity you are speaking from. If you are from one of the, let's just say more DISTANTLY related sects of Christianity, and using your posted scriptures and commentaries to draw us out so that you can convert us to your sect of "Christianity", it is not working, we're not taking the bait. That again is why, if you want responses from us, you must clarify your position completely. Thanks for hanging in there with us.

But Jesus needed to be proven. That's not arguable but are you saying the Christ of heaven needed to be proven also?


I'll address what I believe when you yokles learn how to make some proper distinctions. ....And for you lurkers who want to accuse me of being nasty or unkind, forget it.

[LaMontre]

Hmm :tsk

[goinghome]

But Jesus needed to be proven. That's not arguable but are you saying the Christ of heaven needed to be proven also?


I'll address what I believe when you yokles learn how to make some proper distinctions. ....And for you lurkers who want to accuse me of being nasty or unkind, forget it.

I don't understand what you mean when you say Jesus needed to be proven. Proven as what, proven that He was the Son of God????? Please explain. And since I believe Jesus, and the Christ of Heaven, are exactly the same, inseparable, I don't know how/why "proven also?" fits in.

Please refrain from the name calling. Thanks!

[Ormly]

I don't understand what you mean when you say Jesus needed to be proven. Proven as what, proven that He was the Son of God????? Please explain. And since I believe Jesus, and the Christ of Heaven, are exactly the same, inseparable, I don't know how/why "proven also?" fits in.

Please refrain from the name calling. Thanks!

You two are amazingly short on your Bible knowledge and you slam me?

For starters, What was the wilderness experience for in the life of Jesus, the Man, a picnic?

I'm going to bed.. Had an exciting day, worn out. Maybe you all can think more about His "40 days of Picnic".

Later

[For-Knowledge]

If I may interject for a second:

Goinghome, Ormly, Lamontre...

To keep things simple let's go back in time and see how God depicts Christ:

Exodus 25:10-11

10.And they shall make an ark of ****tim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.
11.And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.

The ark's "make up" consisted of wood AND gold. It also contained "crowns" of gold

So yes, Christ was both "fully man" (wood) and "fully God" (gold). Crowns also denoting his kings ship of the earth.

Interesting note:

The ark made of wood (flesh?) was covered with gold on the inside as well as on the outside.

Hope this simplflies things a bit.

[lisa]

You two are amazingly short on your Bible knowledge and you slam me?

For starters, What was the wilderness experience for in the life of Jesus, the Man, a picnic?

I'm going to bed.. Had an exciting day, worn out. Maybe you all can think more about His "40 days of Picnic".

Later

Ormly, consider this is your first official warning/infraction from the admin. team.

[Rule 10] Treat others with dignity & respect (as you like being treated)

[goinghome]

Cur lunam spectas? Videte stellas. Deae nautis sunt benignae. Majorem videmus urbem. In cisterna aqua est bona.

Let me know if this doesn't clear everything up for everybody. OK?

HUH????:willie :scripture :scratch

[lisa]

goinghome..
Could you replace that with English please? I went through public school and have no experience with Latin. Thanks. :)

[LaMontre]

If I may interject for a second:

Goinghome, Ormly, Lamontre...

To keep things simple let's go back in time and see how God depicts Christ:

Exodus 25:10-11

10.And they shall make an ark of ****tim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.
11.And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.

The ark's "make up" consisted of wood AND gold. It also contained "crowns" of gold

So yes, Christ was both "fully man" (wood) and "fully God" (gold). Crowns also denoting his kings ship of the earth.

Interesting note:

The ark made of wood (flesh?) was covered with gold on the inside as well as on the outside.

Hope this simplflies things a bit.

If this is Ormly's point he sure has a strange way of making it. But I appreciate your comments and obviously agree completely. I would be happy to have further discussion along those lines, because I am quite frankly disgusted at how the thread has become about Ormly instead of what it was originally intended to be. :tsk