Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[Everlasting Peace]

Right, sorry I mis-interpreted what you said. Friends? :hug

:thumb :hug


This makes sense to me, thank you for clarifying.

I gtg now, I'll address some other stuff later :)

You're very welcome - I didn't want you to think I was trying to be rude. It's too important (your eternal life) for me not to be concerned. :bighug

[Anddra]

100knight, I posted this on another board. I think it gets to the root of the issue...

Do you believe in Jesus, yet you don't feel saved?

If you are really trusting in Jesus, you may enjoy perfect peace of mind, since God has raised Him from the dead, that your faith and hope might be in God (not in your feelings) (1 Peter 1:21), and that, being justified by faith (not feelings) you have peace with God (Romans 5:1).

Since Jesus Christ has offered Himself and been accepted by God as an all-sufficient sacrifice for sin, isn't it righteous of Him to justify you, a believer in Jesus? To justify you is to consider you righteous in His eyes. He delights in doing so.

Satan suggests that because you don't feel justified when you believe, you aren't. But God says, All that believe are justified from all things (Acts 13:39). You are justified whether you feel it or not, because God has said you are. Hear His Word, and be at peace with God.

[God's Trombone]

100Knight,

You are getting some really good advice here about the free gift of salvation in Christ and I am
praying for you, that you will get some help from it.

[100knight]

100Knight,

You are getting some really good advice here about the free gift of salvation in Christ and I am
praying for you, that you will get some help from it.

Yes, salvation is free, and for the last time: I am saved, I simply do not believe the Doctrine of OSAS because it displays inconsistencies:

1.) OSAS voids the concept of free-will.
2.) OSAS voids the concept of repentance.


Being saved is knowing and believing that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, not belief in the OSAS doctrine, and damning those that don't believe that paticular doctrine to hell.


Additionally, how is not believing in OSAS a work-based faith? And the reasons you gave for temptation don't impress me. The devil comes to steal, kill and destroy; not to make miserable, prevent witnessing, etc. (well he does, but not primarily)

[GodwithUS]

So If you can lose it, when do you know you have lost it?

Do I have to wait to find out from God at the Judgement?

Seems kind of perilous to put my faith in Christ and not knowing for sure. Is it based on emotion, or do I base it on Scripture?

[100knight]

tbqh, I'm stepping back from what I believe and actually looking at OSAS (I'm not lib., I look at the other side too. :)) and it actually seems pretty solid. But like I said before, these things still urk me:

1.) OSAS voids the concept of free-will.
2.) OSAS voids the concept of repentance.
3.) OSAS voids the concept of temptation.

If someone could explain these to me from a OSAS viewpoint, I'd be glad to listen. :)

And several people said if they didn't have OSAS, that they wouldn't be saved by 'my' standards. Why is this? Do you not repent when you sin? :idunno



So If you can lose it, when do you know you have lost it?

Do I have to wait to find out from God at the Judgement?

Seems kind of perilous to put my faith in Christ and not knowing for sure. Is it based on emotion, or do I base it on Scripture?

1.) God tells you, and/or you feel it and you feel 'icky.'
2.) See #1, and that's the point. If you repent now, you won't have to wait until later.
3.) Scripture to me, the parable of the seeds, Jesus saying he will forgive us 70x70 times in a day, etc.

[JefferyDollars]

100knight,

I feel unimportant. I am really curious as to your response to my questions.... Thankyou.

[Steve53]

But like I said before, these things still urk me:

1.) OSAS voids the concept of free-will.
2.) OSAS voids the concept of repentance.
3.) OSAS voids the concept of temptation.

If someone could explain these to me from a OSAS viewpoint, I'd be glad to listen. :)

And several people said if they didn't have OSAS, that they wouldn't be saved by 'my' standards. Why is this? Do you not repent when you sin? :idunno


OSAS does not void free will, a Christian feeeling the need to repent, or a Christian experiencing temptation. OSAS simply means we as believers have been saved by God's grace through the shed blood of Christ Jesus and the belief that He was raised from the dead. Period. If you believe in Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour nothing else is required of you. Your salvation is secure for all time. Jesus said he will not lose that which the Father has given unto Him. His work was finished on the cross. :thumb It is a mistake and diminishes that precious gift of salvation by attaching further works of penance to His perfect sacrifice.

John 6:39 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=6&verse=39&version=9&context=verse)
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

The other posters are simply affirming that no one can rely on themselves for salvation. As Christians we have been washed clean by the shed blood of Christ. For a born again believer that means ALL sins, yesterday, today and tomorrow. Praise the Lord.

[100knight]

Sorry for giving you an inferiority complex:


Woh 100knight I believe you are saved we jive on many many other issues but this statement is kinda scary. So you believe that if YOU were to tell a lie this second and the next second if you were to die without immediately within that next second repenting that you are no longer saved and will go to hell???

Well God knows the heart, if you were going to repent after (in relative time), God knows that you would, and in turn forgive you.



so in effect everytime someone that is born again sins, immediately after they sin the blood of Jesus is of no effect until they repent? So even if you were to sin unknowingly and died the very next second without repenting a born again believer goes to hell?

You should know that we are not held accountable for sins not known. That's a universal in OSAS too. The blood of Jesus, which is forgiveness is in effect, and it you your choice (free-will) to repent.



Thats a really scary statement I must say as I believe your a brother in Christ but I wouldnt be able to live like that and I dont see how you can either. I look forward to your response.

What do you mean by this?

[100knight]

OSAS does not void free will, a Christian feeeling the need to repent, or a Christian experiencing temptation. OSAS simply means we as believers have been saved by God's grace through the shed blood of Christ Jesus and the belief that He was raised from the dead. Period. If you believe in Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour nothing else is required of you. Your salvation is secure for all time. Jesus said he will not lose that which the Father has given unto Him. His work was finished on the cross. It is a mistake and diminishes that precious gift of salvation by attaching further works of penance to His perfect sacrifice.

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

The other posters are simply affirming that no one can rely on themselves for salvation. As Christians we have been washed clean by the shed blood of Christ. For a born again believer that means ALL sins, yesterday, today and tomorrow. Praise the Lord.

Right, but you're not going extreme enough. The main problem I have is that people CAN be saved and then leave the faith. OSAS says he/she was never truly saved in the first place.