Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[Christina]

100knight. Whilst we cannot lose our salvation, we can definitely lose our enjoyment of it. Satan will do anything to spoil things for us and to stop us from being an effective witness.

Exactly.

We don't lose our Salvation but we can fall out of fellowship with the Lord and there's nothing that satan wants more than to keep us from close fellowship with our Lord. Also remember too that sin seperates us and the Lord which means our communication is stifled, our prayer life suffers, we feel like we're not being heard and the more this happens the more we drift away from God, and that's exactly what satan wants so he puts the temptation out there to get us to fall to keep us from close and constant fellowship with God.



And as far as temptation goes Satan doesnt want you and me out witnessing and saving souls. Eventually i believe every real Christian will come to a state of repentence, but the longer Satan can delay that by constantly getting you to give in to temptation the longer you are ineffective in getting people to accept Christ because if you our giving in to the temptation to get drunk are you witnessing and saving souls? Thats why i think Satan tempts to stop you from being an effective witness for Christ.

Well said.:thumb

[Christina]

Edited to put 2 posts together.

[100knight]

We don't lose our Salvation but we can fall out of fellowship with the Lord and there's nothing that satan wants more than to keep us from close fellowship with our Lord. Also remember too that sin seperates us and the Lord which means our communication is stifled, our prayer life suffers, we feel like we're not being heard and the more this happens the more we drift away from God, and that's exactly what satan wants so he puts the temptation out there to get us to fall to keep us from close and constant fellowship with God.

Wait, can you re-iterate this please?

[Christina]

But this contradicts OSAS. :doh But before I rush ahead of myself, do you think that I am destined to hell because I don't believe OSAS? I have accepted Christ as my personal Savior, so no.

EDIT: God also gave us free will; True God will never let go. But as humans, we can, and some do.

So what you're saying then is that your Salvation or the "keeping" of your Salvation is based on works then, you have to "do right" and not sin in order to maintain your Salvation and if that IS what you're saying then you're going against what God has said. Christ is our only hope of Salvation, once we are saved (based on His work on the Cross) we are always saved, to say anything else would be to diminish Christs' work on the Cross.

[Christina]

Wait, can you re-iterate this please?

What part, it's pretty self explanatory.

You can fall out of fellowship with the Lord. Falling out of fellowship is not the same as losing your Salvation.

[Anddra]

We cannot know what may happen in the future. Someone who has backslidden may well be feeling uncomfortable about their sin and may repent at a later date. Those who 'leave the faith' could be saved or unsaved. God knows their hearts. Also, there may be those who lead what we might term good lives who make a profession but who have never put their trust in Jesus.

I posted earlier in this thread about the importance on not trusting in our feelings. I would like to add this...


Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his ...
2 Tim 2:19 (KJV)

OSAS says that those who are saved will be kept by Christ and raised up in the last day, which is where John 6:39 comes in.

[100knight]

So what you're saying then is that your Salvation or the "keeping" of your Salvation is based on works then, you have to "do right" and not sin in order to maintain your Salvation and if that IS what you're saying then you're going against what God has said. Christ is our only hope of Salvation, once we are saved (based on His work on the Cross) we are always saved, to say anything else would be to diminish Christs' work on the Cross.


So God says that if we sin, we are still saved? Then why is repentance needed?:scratch

[Anddra]

So God says that if we sin, we are still saved? Then why is repentance needed?:scratch

So that we can continue to enjoy fellowship with God and grow in our faith.

[100knight]

Repentance: A word that has two parts:

1- God will forgive you of your sins, and

2- You will turn away from your sinful state

Without repentance, we lose our faith, as we will become lost in faith.

And besides, even if I did switch to OSAS, I would actually live a less strict life (more lackadaisical) because I wouldn't worry about that one time I sinned, or sinning in general. Furthermore, it wouldn't really change anything in my prayer life, as I'd still repent after I sin.


And a question, when do we repent in OSAS?

[Christina]

Yes, salvation is free, and for the last time: I am saved, I simply do not believe the Doctrine of OSAS because it displays inconsistencies:
1.) OSAS voids the concept of free-will.
2.) OSAS voids the concept of repentance.




How is that?

OSAS doesn't void the concept of free will, you are free to believe or not. God is not an indian giver, it's not about one day He gives it to you and one day He takes it from you and it's not a matter of one day you choose to be saved and the next day you choose not to be....what kind of eternal security is that? You'd spend so much time worrying about whether you're saved or not that day that you'd never get any witnessing done or prayer or worship and praise singing or, or, or...

...OSAS doesn't void the concept of repentance either....you repent when you sin. When you sin the Holy Spirit will let you know and you'll feel guilty for what you've done and you'll repent from it.