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Evangelist16
June 6th, 2009, 01:19 PM
Do you believe you have to be able to speak in tongues, to be filled with the Holy Ghost?
Anddra
June 6th, 2009, 01:22 PM
Do you believe you have to be able to speak in tongues, to be filled with the Holy Ghost?
Not sure if this is a general question or just aimed at one post.
I don't believe you have to be able speak in tongues in order to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Evangelist16
June 6th, 2009, 01:33 PM
Well then, what scripture reference would you base your response off of?
Anddra
June 6th, 2009, 01:55 PM
Well then, what scripture reference would you base your response off of?
As the scriptures do not indicate anywhere that the Holy Spirit is only given to those who speak in tongues, I would suggest that burden of proof is on the other side.
Everlasting Peace
June 6th, 2009, 02:08 PM
As the scriptures do not indicate anywhere that the Holy Spirit is only given to those who speak in tongues, I would suggest that burden of proof is on the other side.
Anddra, you are correct. The Holy Spirit lives in all those who are saved. A person not filled with the Holy Spirit is unsaved.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:9;&version=9;)
Speaking in tongues (different languages without study) was a temporary gift which has ceased.
tenBoomFriend
June 6th, 2009, 02:41 PM
Do you believe you have to be able to speak in tongues, to be filled with the Holy Ghost?
:preach I get the answer to this from Paul's writing in 1st Corinthians 12:30 --"Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tounges? do all interpret? I believe Paul is saying our gifts are diverse and not all have the same gifts. :thumb
Evangelist16
June 6th, 2009, 02:50 PM
It would be nice to dismiss the gifts of the Spirit and the baptism of the Holy Ghost by saying that the Spirit lives in all of us upon salvation, however, the scriptures tell us that we receive a measure of the Spirit. In Acts 19 Paul finds disciples who have not been filled with the Spirit and he lays hands on them so that they then are filled with the Spirit. They even told Paul that they didn't know there was a Holy Ghost!!
As far as the gifts being temporary, I hope that you have better passages than 1 Cor. 13:10,11 or Heb. 2:4. I'm sure you mean tongues as in the day of Pentecost which was indeed a gift of unstudied languages(18 dialects spoken there that day.) Most Baptists have been taught wrongly concerning the gifts, however, if they would take the time to study to show themselves approved would find the gifts of the Spirit are still for today. While they may get abused by the Pentecostal movement as a whole, they should not be discarded or ignored as being irrelevant for today! That's God's Word on it!!!
Kliska
June 6th, 2009, 03:16 PM
Why did this question of tongues as a sign of being filled with the Holy Spirit come into play in a OSAS thread? :idunno
Everlasting Peace
June 6th, 2009, 03:16 PM
It would be nice to dismiss the gifts of the Spirit and the baptism of the Holy Ghost by saying that the Spirit lives in all of us upon salvation, however, the scriptures tell us that we receive a measure of the Spirit. In Acts 19 Paul finds disciples who have not been filled with the Spirit and he lays hands on them so that they then are filled with the Spirit. They even told Paul that they didn't know there was a Holy Ghost!!
As far as the gifts being temporary, I hope that you have better passages than 1 Cor. 13:10,11 or Heb. 2:4. I'm sure you mean tongues as in the day of Pentecost which was indeed a gift of unstudied languages(18 dialects spoken there that day.) Most Baptists have been taught wrongly concerning the gifts, however, if they would take the time to study to show themselves approved would find the gifts of the Spirit are still for today. While they may get abused by the Pentecostal movement as a whole, they should not be discarded or ignored as being irrelevant for today! That's God's Word on it!!!
It looks like this is the Doctrinal Statement of the board:
Some gifts of the Holy Spirit such as speaking in tongues and miraculous healings were temporary. Speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism nor of the filling of the Spirit, and that the deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection (Acts 4:8, 31; Rom. 8:23; 1 Cor. 13:8).
Everlasting Peace
June 6th, 2009, 03:18 PM
Why did this question of tongues as a sign of being filled with the Holy Spirit come into play in a OSAS thread? :idunno
:idunno Apparently, some believe they go hand in hand. I don't get it.
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