Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[Thomas3599]

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“Once Saved Always Saved”
a dangerous delusion?
by Graham Pockett

The following information relates to the belief that once saved, a Christian cannot ‘lose’ his salvation. This is often called “Eternal Security”, the opposite to which is sometimes called “Conditional Security”. Scripture quoted is from the NIV Bible, not because it is ‘best’ but because it states these points clearly while still agreeing with the KJV and other universally accepted translations. You might like to read Why I Quote The NIV Bible.

[Graham Pockett]
Can you lose your salvation?

Many people fervently believe that once saved, they can never lose their salvation. I pray that those who do believe it will read the following with an open heart and an open mind. Above all, I urge every reader to check each Scripture presented – and then check the context that the Scriptures are quoted in by reading at least ten verses before and ten verses after.

I sincerely believe the ‘once saved always saved’ concept to be wrong. The implication that once someone becomes a ‘real’ Christian (a definition would be handy) they are saved and that they can’t backslide or commit a sin which would rob them of that inheritance.

From my experience, Christians can sin and they often do sin but to believe that a Christian can live any way he or she likes, and still be saved, is dangerous. Some argue that a ‘real’ Christian wouldn’t commit these sins and it is the ‘almost Christians’ who fall foul of this type of entrapment from the enemy. I believe that would be wrong too. Committed Christians sin for all sorts of reasons and we are only saved by God’s amazing Grace, not our level of commitment. God knows our true heart!

If a Christian sins maliciously (deliberately breaks laws for his or her own advantage – say purchasing goods known, or strongly suspected, of being stolen) that is quite different from accidentally sinning – something we all do constantly.

God knows our true intention. We might be able to fool a police officer that we sinned accidentally, but God knows the real truth. I believe that if we deliberately go against the direction given by Jesus (who, you will remember, said to obey the laws of the land) then we must suffer the consequences – and that might mean the loss of eternal life. At least our Judge, while tough, is fair and understanding!

Let’s look at this Scripturally

Jesus understood that when people heard the Word of God they would react in different ways – from total rejection to total acceptance. He explained it in ‘The Parable Of The Sower’. I have quoted the Matthew 13:3-23 Scripture here, but the same parable can also be found in Mark 4:1-20 and Luke 8:4-15.

Matthew 13:3-9:
3 Then [Jesus] told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed.
4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up.
5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow.
6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.
7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants.
8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop – a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.
9 He who has ears, let him hear.” [NIV]

The Disciples wanted to know what this parable meant and Jesus explained.

Matthew 13:18-23
18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means:
19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.
20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy.
21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.
22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.
23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.” [NIV]

For people who believe that “once saved, always saved” I rhetorically ask: how do you relate your beliefs to Matthew 13: 20-21? If a man cannot lose his salvation then why would Jesus say: “When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away”?

The key to how we are saved is in John 3:16:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” [NIV]

I understand that the word ‘believes’ in the Greek is an on-going verb (this is not so easy to determine because Greek is a contextual language). It really says that unless we keep on believing in Him we will perish and not have everlasting life. We are saved by Grace as long as we keep on believing in Him. Let’s check another Scripture.

Mark 13:13 says:
[Jesus said] “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” [NIV]

Look again at the second half of that sentence. Jesus is saying that to be saved you must stand firm (for Him) until you die. Conversely He is therefore saying that those who do not stand firm will not be saved! Notice that I am not quoting Paul or any other Apostle or Disciple, but the Son of God Himself.

Was I saved when I was cursing God?

When I was quite young I gave myself to the Lord. I then drifted away from the church – and from Jesus – and ended up walking in a wilderness for 25 years. For 25 years I cursed Jesus and fought against Christianity. I ‘studied’ the Bible looking for ‘wrongness’ in it and read as many anti-Christian writings as I could. I became an intellectually strong anti-Christian and could debate, and win, with committed Christians in many areas, specially on early church history. Guess you could say that I was like Saul, a zealot against the Christians.

One day, in the fit of despair after being separated from my wife of 19 years, I asked “the Creator” (my concept at that time) how I could get her back. I heard an audible voice (which I instantly knew to be Jesus) say: “Believe in Me”. It was mind blowing to say the least. I can understand the confusion Saul must have felt when he was slam-dunked to the ground by the very Person he was persecuting. It was the same with me.

Was I ‘saved’ during those 25 years of anti-Christian ‘preaching’? From my own heart I can say a resounding NO. If I had died and gone to Heaven during that period I would have screamed to be taken to Hell! Yet I had accepted Jesus at a Youth For Christ rally when I was about 14. Saved forever, or not saved forever?

To the people who would say that I really wasn’t saved when I was young I just point them back to John 3:16. I did believe in the salvation of Jesus in those early days – I witnessed at school, I was very much involved with my local church, I even wanted to become a minister of religion when I grew up!

But, after five years, I backslid – and not just a little way either! I fell all the way into the pit and Satan had me fully in his grasp. Saved? No way. The Lord gave us the power of freewill, and I had exercised mine to be a servant of Satan.

The final proof...

“We have nothing of our own but our will. It is the only thing which God has so placed in our own power that we can make an offering of it to Him.” St John Vianney (The Curé d’Ars – 1786-1859)

If God didn’t want us to be able to choose He would not have given us the gift of freewill. It is this gift which places us above the animals. It is this gift which allows us to choose to either worship God or not worship God. It is this gift, and only this gift, which allows us to truly love Him like a son. It is this gift which proves that ‘once saved, always saved’ must be wrong.

If we are saved in spite of ourselves then there is no freewill. If there is no freewill then the Bible is wrong!

I don’t believe that the Bible is wrong...

[Graham Pockett]

( EVERYONE CAN PULL UP INFORMATION FROM THEOLOGIANS THAT MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT BOTH WAYS. A PERSON MUST SEEK IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES AND NOT PUT THEIR HOPE IN OTHERS TEACHING.) 2 TIM 2:15

[His Bride]

I Shall Lose None of All That He Has Given Me
December 6, 2008 — Mike Ratliff
By Mike Ratliff

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” (John 10:25-30 ESV)

God is Sovereign. That sovereignty is not partial. It is not subject to any conditions or forces outside of God. He has never nor will He ever relinquish any portion of His sovereignty. What He sets out to do, He does. What Men believe or refuse to believe about these truths changes nothing. Just because professing Christians cling to the fallacy that they are saved because they exercised their Free Will does not in any way diminish the truth from God’s Word that tells us the very opposite.

Man is fallen. All born of Adam are children of God’s wrath. No one seeks after God because none are righteous (Romans 3:10-18). God’s people are part of our Lord’s flock. Those of His flock believe God, seek God, and know the Lord’s voice. The Lord gives them eternal life. Notice that the veracity of their eternal life is not subject to them or their behavior. No, the Son holds them and no one can snatch them out of His hand.


I received some complaints about my last post, I Have Many In This City Who are My People. The complaints were very condemning and full of anger. One of them stated that this teaching was specifically Paul’s and Jesus never presented God and salvation like that. Let’s take a closer look at our Lord’s own words about our salvation.

Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:35-40 ESV)

Who believes and who does not believe? Those who come to Jesus are the same ones who believe. Those who believe are the same ones who are given to the Son by the Father. All given to the Son come to Him and are given eternal life. However, many do not believe even though they are given the truth. The Father does not give these to the Son. If we go back a few verses in John 6 we see that He is speaking to people who seek Jesus from a motivation of ‘getting’ or ‘receiving’ food or provision from our Lord as He had fed them (5000) with five barley loaves and two fish. The next day they sought Him again seeking more. However, His response to them is that those who ‘find Him’ seek Him for Himself not to receive anything temporal. He actually rebukes these people and, as we shall see, tells them the qualifications for being part of His Kingdom, which they reject proving that they are not among those given to the Son by the Father.

So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me– not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” (John 6:41-51 ESV)

As you can see in this passage, these people are in unbelief. Their unbelief remains while those who do come to Him in belief are those drawn to Christ by the Father. The Greek word used here that is translated “draw” is ἑλκύω, ἕλκω or helkuō helkō. This word gives us the picture of a fisherman dragging a net to shore in order to capture the fish caught in it. In this context, it refers to God the Father actually accomplishing His will in the hearts of those “drawn” to the Son by changing them from the inside out. As we saw earlier, no one seeks after God or the Son unless it is to ‘get.’ On the other hand, those drawn by the Father come in belief with faith that saves. Notice that the drawing includes being taught by God by hearing and learning about Jesus from the Father. This is part of their regeneration. Those who are drawn by the Father to the Son eat the bread of life, who is the Son, and will live forever.

The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” (John 6:52-58 ESV)

Who eats the flesh and drinks the blood of the Son? Only those given to the Son by the Father do this. The Father draws them to Him as they are taught about the Son. They come to the Son and are given eternal life. What was the response of those seeking to come Him in unbelief?

Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum. When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” (John 6:59-65 ESV)

Those who seek the Son in unbelief do so via the flesh. Only those given life by the Spirit come to son in belief and are given eternal life. Notice that even when the Gospel is given directly to those who are not given to the Son by the Father, they do not believe. No one can come to the Son unless the Father grants it to him. There is a form of Christianity that ignores these truths and teaches that people are saved by exercising their Free Will and are rewarded salvation for doing so. I do not see that taught anywhere in scripture and, in fact, what we see in God’s Word lines up perfectly with our Lord’s words in this passage. This does not change how we preach the Gospel though. We still offer the Gospel freely to all because this is the means that God has chosen to save His people. They hear the Gospel as God is drawing them to the Son. Those believe, repent, and are justified by the Father.

For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. (1 Corinthians 1:17-25 ESV)

Notice that the message of the Gospel is not palatable to those not called or drawn by God to the Son. It is foolishness to them. However, to those granted it, it is the means of their justification as they respond in belief and repentance.

Soli Deo Gloria!

http://mikeratliff.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/i-shall-lose-none-of-all-that-he-has-given-me/

[kelli]

Thank You for posting this HisBride :thumb
As much as WE try in our human effort to get others to become children born out of God it is the Father drawing those to Our Lord and will not lose one.
Let the Lord do the drawing of those whom He knows who are HIS.

[truthwarrior]

Excellent!! These verses in John 10 are so comforting. Many times I have had doubts and the Lord has continually given me these exact words- "no one will be able to snatch you out of my Hand"- Do you know how assuring that is for the believer? We hear the voice of the Lord- He calls His sheep- He knows which are his.

The sheep do not pick the Shepherd, The Shepherd is the One who picks the sheep!:wave

[ThankfulHeart]

:thumb:thumb:thumb!!!!

:yeah:yeah:yeah:yeah:yeah

[LookingUplinda]

at times I was given to worry about my unsaved loved ones, like it's me who needs to convince them, but I only need to go so far with what I tell them about getting saved.....He does the rest, WHEW, THAT WAS SUCH A RELIEF TO UNDERSTAND:doh

[Kliska]

We must be careful that we are not deceived. Satan has only one tool left and that is deception.

Jesus said we must stand firm until the end. Some believers will be placed with unbelievers.
Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13.

Matthew 7:21-24 Jesus tells of people who ate and drank with Him and drove out demons. They were close to the Lord at one time.

Luke 12:45-46 this parable talks about someone waiting on his master and at the very end fell away. Jesus said he will be placed with unbelievers.

All we need is faith of a mustered seed.

Revelation 3:15-16 talks of the lukewarm. These are people who know the Lord.

We can go back and forth on this all day long. I claim the promises of the Word of God. I think when a person has placed their faith in Christ its very hard for them to fall away. But I can't ignore the warnings in the Word of God.

If I'm wrong and stand before the Lord and He says you were locked in at age 9. You didn't have to get so deep in the faith. I have lost nothing.
But if the bible is true and a person can wander, abandon and shipwreck their faith, then it will cost many eternal salvation with the Lord. Jesus said it in Matthew 7:21-24. Depart from me. I'm not going to take a chance with my families salvation.

A PERSON CAN'T EARN OR WORK FOR THEIR SALVATION. HOW CAN YOU WORK ON SOMETHING THAT IS FINISHED ?

When it comes to our faith God gave us, we have a choice where we place it.

Colossians 1:23 says if your continue in the faith. That's a choice.

God Bless you. I would rather error this way than the OSAS man made doctrine.

First, you imply that those who hold to OSAS don't believe there is a need to go that "deep into the faith," or that Christ would actually say that to a believer? Not so. You have a huge contradiction in your logic; you claim to believe that a person can't earn or work for their salvation, but that is exactly what you are teaching. If one becomes a true believer and is indwelt with the Holy Spirit they are saved via faith, not works, and are to live by what? Faith. No sin can ever be laid to their charge, period. The people who Christ told to depart from them were relying on their good works for their salvation, they were not relying on faith and grace! The lukewarm do not put their faith in/on Christ.

Make sure you are reading proper context into the verses you quote.

You act as though someone like Paul is preaching license to sin, and he is clear that he is not, though he is teaching the blatant fact that technically, "sin" no longer applies to Christians, because there is no more law to hold us up to. Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Again, there are two different issues here; can any amount of sin separate one from Christ; no. If it could, then that is a works based salvation plan, and is completely not scriptural. The second issue is; can someone who knows Christ and at some point in their lives acknowledge Him then turn around and become as the Devil, who knows God exists and comes to refuse to bow or trust, or can one come into a state of apistis in the Greek or "lack of faith." (Loss of salvation via true apostasy) That is a more legitimate debate, not based in works.

He Who has begun a good work in us will complete it.

[Anddra]

Great article, His Bride. Sorely needed today.

[Thomas3599]

First, you imply that those who hold to OSAS don't believe there is a need to go that "deep into the faith," or that Christ would actually say that to a believer? Not so. You have a huge contradiction in your logic; you claim to believe that a person can't earn or work for their salvation, but that is exactly what you are teaching. If one becomes a true believer and is indwelt with the Holy Spirit they are saved via faith, not works, and are to live by what? Faith. No sin can ever be laid to their charge, period. The people who Christ told to depart from them were relying on their good works for their salvation, they were not relying on faith and grace! The lukewarm do not put their faith in/on Christ.

Make sure you are reading proper context into the verses you quote.

You act as though someone like Paul is preaching license to sin, and he is clear that he is not, though he is teaching the blatant fact that technically, "sin" no longer applies to Christians, because there is no more law to hold us up to. Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Again, there are two different issues here; can any amount of sin separate one from Christ; no. If it could, then that is a works based salvation plan, and is completely not scriptural. The second issue is; can someone who knows Christ and at some point in their lives acknowledge Him then turn around and become as the Devil, who knows God exists and comes to refuse to bow or trust, or can one come into a state of apistis in the Greek or "lack of faith." (Loss of salvation via true apostasy) That is a more legitimate debate, not based in works.

He Who has begun a good work in us will complete it.

I never said their is effort in salvation. The effort is in holding to our faith. Keeping it in Christ and His finished work.
People who really believe this teaching of osas and I was one for many years. I don't understand why they argue it. We are all saved and will always be saved why waist your time. I'm concerned for souls. I wish I was wrong I wouldn't be burdened with the souls that have passed on and believed this teaching and lived like this world. Quit church said they were already saved. If I'm wrong and many others who don't believe this very dangerous teaching, if were wrong no harm. If your wrong souls will be lost forever. If I stand before the Lord and he tells me I was lock in at 9yrs fine I've lost nothing.

WHAT DID JESUS SAY ABOUT THE PERSON WHO FOLLOWED HIS MASTER ALL THE WAY UNTIL THE VERY END. LUKE 12:45-46. THE BELIEVER WILL BE CUT TO PIECES AND PLACED WITH UNBELIEVERS. THIS IS A BELIEVER.

What did Satan tell Eve? You surly won't die.

Jude 3 & 4 warns us of this man made teaching.

Be careful.

[Steve53]

Jude 3 & 4 warns us of this man made teaching.

Context. Context. Context. Contending for the faith is what is being discussed in verses 3 & 4.

Verse 1 - Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:


Be careful.

Good advice Thomas. :hat

You have been given wide latitude thus far -

A reminder (again) from the board's Doctrinal Beliefs Statement found at: http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=9


Article VII. SALVATION ONLY THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE

Owing to universal death through sin, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless born again; and that no degree of reformation however great, no attainments in morality however high, no culture however attractive, no baptism or other ordinance however administered, can help the sinner to take even one step toward heaven; but a new nature imparted from above, a new life implanted by the Holy Spirit through the Word, is absolutely essential to salvation, and only those thus saved are sons of God. Our redemption has been accomplished solely by the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, who was made to be sin and was made a curse for us, dying in our room and stead; and that no repentance, no feeling, no faith, no good resolutions, no sincere efforts, no submission to the rules and regulations of any church, nor all the churches that have existed since the days of the Apostles can add in the very least degree to the value of the blood, or to the merit of the finished work wrought for us by Him who united in His person true and proper deity with perfect and sinless humanity (Lev. 17:11 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Lev.+17%3A11); Isa. 64:6 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Isa.+64%3A6); Matt. 26:28; John 3:7 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=John+3%3A7)–18; Rom. 5:6 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Rom.+5%3A6)–9; 2 Cor. 5:21 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=2+Cor.+5%3A21); Gal. 3:13 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Gal.+3%3A13); 6:15; Eph. 1:7 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Eph.+1%3A7); Phil. 3:4–9; Titus 3:5 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Titus+3%3A5); James 1:18 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=James+1%3A18); 1 Pet. 1:18 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=1+Pet.+1%3A18)–19, 23).

The new birth of the believer comes only through faith in Jesus Christ and that repentance is a vital part of believing, and is in no way, in itself, a separate and independent condition of salvation; nor are any other acts, such as confession, baptism, prayer, or faithful service, to be added to believing as a condition of salvation (John 1:12 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=John+1%3A12); 3:16, 18, 36; 5:24; 6:29; Acts 13:39 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Acts+13%3A39); 16:31; Rom. 1:16 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Rom.+1%3A16)–17; 3:22, 26; 4:5; 10:4; Gal. 3:22 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Gal.+3%3A22)).


Article VIII. THE EXTENT OF SALVATION

When an unregenerate person exercises that faith in Jesus Christ which is illustrated and described as such in the New Testament, he passes immediately out of spiritual death into spiritual life, and from the old creation into the new; being justified from all things, accepted before the Father according as Jesus Christ His Son is accepted, loved as Jesus Christ is loved, having his place and portion as linked to Him and one with Him forever. Though the saved one may have occasion to grow in the realization of his blessings and to know a fuller measure of divine power through the yielding of his life more fully to God, he is, as soon as he is saved, in possession of every spiritual blessing and absolutely complete in Jesus Christ, and is therefore in no way required by God to seek a so-called “second blessing,” or a “second work of grace” (John 5:24 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=John+5%3A24); 17:23; Acts 13:39 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Acts+13%3A39); Rom. 5:1 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Rom.+5%3A1); 1 Cor. 3:21 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=1+Cor.+3%3A21)–23; Eph. 1:3 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Eph.+1%3A3); Col. 2:10 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Col.+2%3A10); 1 John 4:17 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=1+John+4%3A17); 5:11–12).


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[04] Defend the Faith and God's infallible Word, not the ways of the world, homosexuality, liberalism, socialism, false translations, false theologies, Mysticism, or deceptive cults and other heresies. We believe in only one true gospel of saving grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone in His shed blood for our atonement, Old Testament looked forward to God's provision of the sacrifice, New Testament looks back to God's provision of the sacrifice. Do not promote, two gospels, hyper Dispensationalism, Arminianism, hyper-Calvinism, nor other ideologies of religious legalism. Do not play 'devil's advocate' for the sake of argument.

[06] Do not promote false teachings , false prophets, heretical movements, paganism, ritualism, Third Wave Latter Rain, Words of Faith (WOF), Words of Knowledge (WOK), extra biblical teachings from television ministers, Vineyard teachings, Dominion theology, Soul Sleep, Signs & Wonders, Gospel to the Stars, the Mazzaroth, Toronto Blessings, I.H.O.Prayer, 7th Day (Sabbath) keeping, liturgy of works and practices for obtaining and maintaining salvation, ecumenism, false scriptures such as the Pseudepigrapha , Apocrypha, Bible codes, Ufology, Inccubi, Succubi, Angelic procreation and cloning, demon seeds, or any other extra biblical preoccupations with demonic and extrasensory beliefs.
Do not post from television teachers entangled in any of the above such as TBN, Perry Stone, Duplantis, Alex Jones, Todd Bentley, J. R. Church, Rick Warren, Don Piper - "90 Minutes in Heaven", fivedoves, Coo Thomas, etc...



John 6:35-39
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.