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josiah7
August 9th, 2009, 01:36 PM
I put this here because of its content, hope you understand.


'Once saved, always saved' — Deacon says killer rests in heaven

George Sodini rests in heaven now because he professed a faith in Jesus years before his shooting rampage, a Tetelestai Christian Church leader said.

Jack Rickard, a deacon at the Plum church Sodini attended for years, said the Bible makes it clear that "professing a faith in Jesus as savior means you will have complete eternal salvation."

Rickard, 80, of Indiana, Pa., said Tetelestai members "are firm believers in 'once-saved, always-saved.'"

He said the church, which is in process of moving to New Kensington, focuses on the intense study of Scripture.

Rickard conveyed his belief that Sodini attained eternal life.

"George is going to heaven, but he's not going to get his rewards," Rickard said. He said that Sodini won't be offered all of heaven's benefits because of his sin.

"George was a professing believer," Rickard said.

Shortly after 8 p.m. Tuesday, Sodini walked into the LA Fitness Center in Great Southern Shopping Center in Collier and opened fire in an aerobics room filled with women. In addition to killing three, he wounded nine others before killing himself.

Sodini wrote in his online diary that the pastor at Tetelestai convinced him it was possible to commit mass murder and still be welcomed into heaven.

In his blog, Sodini alleged that the Rev. Alan "Rick" Knapp taught Tetelestai members that committing such a crime could be forgiven.

"Holy [expletive], religion is a waste. But this guy teaches (and convinced me) you can commit mass murder then still go to heaven. Ask him," Sodini wrote.

After the shootings, Knapp went to the Oakmont police station where he told Chief David DiSanti Sr. that the church condones no such actions.

Deacon Rickard said he knew Sodini fairly well and never thought Sodini would commit such an act.

"I saw no traits like that in him except that he was a little quiet," Rickard said.

Rickard said he socialized with Sodini on several occasions. The two had beers together and Sodini ate dinner at Rickard's home at least once, Rickard said.

But, Rickard indicated that Sodini caused some trouble at Tetelestai, but declined specifics.

"The guy left the church over four years ago," Rickard said. "He was asked to leave the church once and he did. But because of certain circumstances, he was allowed to come back."

Sodini wrote in his blog that he attended Tetelestai for 13 years and left in November 2006.

Rickard said Tetelestai, an unaffiliated, independent Christian congregation, has about 400 members. The name is a Greek word that translates to "It is finished" and is purportedly the last word spoken by Jesus.

The congregation is renovating the former Westmoreland County Community College branch along East Hills Drive in New Kensington. Rickard said services should begin there in October.

Rickard acknowledged that public perception of the church has suffered because of Sodini. But he defended his congregation as a group of Christians whose sole interest is in studying Scripture and serving God.

"We are not a cult," Rickard said. "We are solely involved in an in-depth study of what the Scriptures say."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleynewsdispatch/s_637429.html

HeIsEnough
August 9th, 2009, 02:32 PM
Not really relevant that some deacon proclaims something.

The deacon should also know that ones fruit is going to truly say if what his mouth said was true.

Don't fail the test.

There are no loopholes to true conversion, no saying something with the lips when the heart is not in it. A man can act (a hypocrite) the part, but actors are usually never who they play in real life.

josiah7
August 9th, 2009, 03:40 PM
HeIsEnough

There are no loopholes to true conversion, no saying something with the lips when the heart is not in it. A man can act (a hypocrite) the part, but actors are usually never who they play in real life.

Those were my thoughts also.

Holding Pattern
August 9th, 2009, 04:05 PM
Does God have an enormous eraser for the Book of Life? Does your name get erased and re-written and erased and re-written in the blood of the Lamb?

HeIsEnough
August 9th, 2009, 04:09 PM
Does God have an enormous eraser for the Book of Life? Does your name get erased and re-written and erased and re-written in the blood of the Lamb?

Not that I know of....He also knows lip service when He hears it, but He knows where the heart is. It explains why there are tares among us, those who are not wheat. Those who are wheat will always be wheat, when the good tree is made good, it is good.

Musclecar1975
August 9th, 2009, 05:06 PM
I have a very hard time believing that a Spirit-filled believer would actually go and commit such a heinous crime, and George Sodini's words from his blog certainly doesn't convince me that he truly knew the Lord, either.

Truthlover
August 9th, 2009, 05:21 PM
Example of a worst case scenario involving a false convert....:sad

Steve53
August 9th, 2009, 07:51 PM
Just because the label says "Christian" that doesn't mean the product isn't counterfeit.

Paradigm
August 10th, 2009, 01:25 AM
It's funny because the Bible clearly states that the harverster was waiting for the wheat and the tares to grow so they could be distinguished as their true nature.

goodboy
August 10th, 2009, 05:49 AM
I have a very hard time believing that a Spirit-filled believer would actually go and commit such a heinous crime, and George Sodini's words from his blog certainly doesn't convince me that he truly knew the Lord, either. :thumb:thumb:thumb

I do believe in OSAS, but I do not believe this guy was ever saved.
This is not a cop out, but just believing that there is a just God would keep you from doing this, much less a belief in Jesus!

Goodboy