Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[Mailman Dan]

Buzz, you posted a link that had a Paul Washer video in it... :thumb

What if? is also in gospel tract form. The number 1 type of person you talk too in street preaching are those who say they are "Christians" but when you probe a little you'll see they don't know what it means.

Like clockwork, ask any person, in the darkest of places in America.. You could walk into a drug house, porn shop, bar, strip club, or Baskin Robbins and everyone there will say they are a Christian. Ask them what they have to do to heaven, and rather than saying "Christ alone" they will point to their own merit... sometimes also tied to a prayer they said one time when they were a kid in some year they can't remember...


I still like this clip..


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Dan~~~>thinks most confessing "Christians" don't understand the basics

[Steve53]

That is a good point .....


No offense Joel H...but what I read is man's opinion, not a whole lot of scripture....


This thread is long on opinion and scripture - read back through for the answers you seek. :thumb

[Daughter]

Can I ask a quick question?

Why are we to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? What is there to fear if we are saved.

What works are involved?

[Steve53]

Can I ask a quick question?

Why are we to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? What is there to fear if we are saved.

What works are involved?

Short answer - Fear and trembling lead to recognizing our guilt and repentance then leads to the cross.

[acceptedintheBeloved]

Can I ask a quick question?

Why are we to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? What is there to fear if we are saved.

What works are involved?

Here's how I attempted to answer a similar question in another thread:


You mentioned a portion of Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." I believe that that phrase "work out" simply means that we are to express outwardly what is true of us inwardly (our salvation). Paul is encouraging them to continue to express it even now that he is no longer present with them... and he is confident that they will. For the following verse says, "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure." They didn't need Paul's presence so much, after all.

Hope this at least gives you a general idea of the intended meaning (even though it wasn't written with your exact question in mind). :) And, of course, it's always good to examine the whole context. :hat

[Daughter]

Understood --- thank you!

[sframe1978]

I'm sorry but I still feel like scripture that aren't understandable are just being pushed aside. Like the whole argument about baptism. Is it necessary or not and people go back and forth using scripture to argue scripture. Acts 2:38 say one must be baptized in Jesus name for the removal of sins, then in I Peter 3:18-22, it says that like in the days of Noah God used water to save and that baptism wasn't for the washing for body but to give use a clear conscious before God, yet I have people saying well it's not necessary or only an outward sign and I got the Word clearly telling me in Acts that baptism is for "the remission of sin." Well what if baptism is not of work of man but a work of God? I'm not trying to hijack the thread just point out I hear a lot of "mans" personnel interpretation of the scripture and what it means but when I go searching through the Bible and take it as a whole and not parts of it the bible seems to contradict many things that men have taught is truth, so much so that I'm to the point if the Bible says do it then I'm going to do it and if it doesn't say do it then I'm not going to.

[Buzzardhut]

I'm sorry but I still feel like scripture that aren't understandable are just being pushed aside. Like the whole argument about baptism. Is it necessary or not and people go back and forth using scripture to argue scripture. Acts 2:38 say one must be baptized in Jesus name for the removal of sins, then in I Peter 3:18-22, it says that like in the days of Noah God used water to save and that baptism wasn't for the washing for body but to give use a clear conscious before God, yet I have people saying well it's not necessary or only an outward sign and I got the Word clearly telling me in Acts that baptism is for "the remission of sin." Well what if baptism is not of work of man but a work of God? I'm not trying to hijack the thread just point out I hear a lot of "mans" personnel interpretation of the scripture and what it means but when I go searching through the Bible and take it as a whole and not parts of it the bible seems to contradict many things that men have taught is truth, so much so that I'm to the point if the Bible says do it then I'm going to do it and if it doesn't say do it then I'm not going to.

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=105576
http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=84863

[Mommytoa3rdgradeboy]

I'm sorry but I still feel like scripture that aren't understandable are just being pushed aside. Like the whole argument about baptism. Is it necessary or not and people go back and forth using scripture to argue scripture. Acts 2:38 say one must be baptized in Jesus name for the removal of sins, then in I Peter 3:18-22, it says that like in the days of Noah God used water to save and that baptism wasn't for the washing for body but to give use a clear conscious before God, yet I have people saying well it's not necessary or only an outward sign and I got the Word clearly telling me in Acts that baptism is for "the remission of sin." Well what if baptism is not of work of man but a work of God? I'm not trying to hijack the thread just point out I hear a lot of "mans" personnel interpretation of the scripture and what it means but when I go searching through the Bible and take it as a whole and not parts of it the bible seems to contradict many things that men have taught is truth, so much so that I'm to the point if the Bible says do it then I'm going to do it and if it doesn't say do it then I'm not going to.

The thief on the cross wasn't baptized and Jesus even said to him that He would see him in paradise so I would take that to apply to anyone. I understand what you are saying, though.

[Eternally]

Baptism Regenerism teaches that the thief was saved before Pentacost, therefore saved by faith alone...

but that since Pentacost and Acts 2:38 we are saved through faith + baptism. :scratch

They use Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16 and 1 Peter 3:21 as their main souce.

I was dramatically saved out of the drug use and dealing culture, NARAL spokesperson for Planned Parenthood stuff,,,, all with a faith conversion.... no baptism...

Later at a Christian church I was told I couldn't have been saved because I wasn't baptized when I say I was transformed....

Then my husband and I were told we were wolves in sheeps clothing with a false doctrine. :shocked