Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[Christina]

right, i removed that verse from my post, cuz i made a mistake..
I'm still waiting on you, to tell me what i'm suppose to look out for...

All the verses that pertain to and support OSAS, in other words....that you can't lose your salvation....have already been posted in the numerous pages already in this thread, I don't want to go and look everything up and post it again, can you not just read through this thread and see all the discussion and scripture already posted? :scratch

[Chuck Taylorz]

All the verses that pertain to and support OSAS, in other words....that you can't lose your salvation....have already been posted in the numerous pages already in this thread, I don't want to go and look everything up and post it again, can you not just read through this thread and see all the discussion and scripture already posted? :scratch
80 something pages????.
Umm..nope..
i'll just ask a Mod

Once Saved Always, just does not feel quite right To Me..and that passage i quoted explains my point perfectly

[Christina]

80 something pages????.
Umm..nope..
i'll just ask a Mod

Once Saved Always, just does not feel quite right To Me..and that passage i quoted explains my point perfectly

Chuck, why should anyone have to start pulling scripture and refrencing things that are already here when they already spent so much time to carefully post scripture up all because you don't want to read through what's already been written? That's not right. You want to know? It's ALREADY all there in black and white, do the legwork like we all have to do. Sheeeesh!

[Chuck Taylorz]

Chuck, why should anyone have to start pulling scripture and refrencing things that are already here when they already spent so much time to carefully post scripture up all because you don't want to read through what's already been written? That's not right. You want to know? It's ALREADY all there in black and white, do the legwork like we all have to do. Sheeeesh!

Dont worry i found something online, i'll speak to a Mod about it...

My initial post was about a passage, which you suggested that i re-read again, my reply was, why , is there's something I'm missing/over-looking.

I ask you what I'm i suppose to see, you didn't really answer that question in the context of that passage, you just mentioned all the other quoted verses in this thread...

But it's alright i found something...

laterz!

[Blood Bought]

Say what??:scratch:scratch:scratch

You don't have to believe me, but just the same, do NOT be slavishly devoted to following ANY particular preacher/ teacher either. Search out these things. We have to humble ourselves and become fools if we think we're wise.

James 1:5

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

I'll leave you with an important distinction..

Israel's salvation is coming when the King returns.

Isaiah 46:13

I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

For the world? No, in Zion for Israel.

Today, we are instantly sealed.

Remember, before the cross, Christ was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15:24

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

He meant that.

And again, while there are many applications for us in the gospels today, it's important to understand all the overcoming, enduring to the end, tribulation talk within them, is not directly written TO us. We are looking forward to the rapture before the last time.

Israel specifically, and the world in general, will be going through wrath and judgement.

We are saved from wrath, thank God. What do I have to endure? Some rough patches in life. There is nothing, and never will be anything like the tribulation ahead. Those are indeed some very, very scary times.

[Chuck Taylorz]

You don't have to believe me, but just the same, do NOT be slavishly devoted to following ANY particular preacher/ teacher either. Search out these things. We have to humble ourselves and become fools if we think we're wise.

James 1:5

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

I'll leave you with an important distinction..

Israel's salvation is coming when the King returns.

Isaiah 46:13

I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

For the world? No, in Zion for Israel.

Today, we are instantly sealed.

Remember, before the cross, Christ was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15:24

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

He meant that.

And again, while there are many applications for us in the gospels today, it's important to understand all the overcoming, enduring to the end, tribulation talk within them, is not directly written TO us. We are looking forward to the rapture before the last time.

Israel specifically, and the world in general, will be going through wrath and judgement.

We are saved from wrath, thank God. What do I have to endure? Some rough patches in life. There is nothing, and never will be anything like the tribulation ahead. Those are indeed some very, very scary times.

But props!!
But not what i was looking for!
But thanks a lot, nonetheless!!!!!!!

[Wally]

Context = The writer {some believe Paul or Peter} is admonishing a group of hebrew christians who are contempleting going back to judism, for fellowship, and perhaps even some - not fully established in the faith, to return to the law for salvation.


Hebrews 6 NKJV

1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.


9 But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner. 10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11 And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, 12 that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.


13 For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, 14 saying, “Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you.”[d] 15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16 For men indeed swear by the greater, and an oath for confirmation is for them an end of all dispute. 17 Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the immutability of His counsel, confirmed it by an oath, 18 that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us.
19 This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, 20 where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

There is an IF in the beginning, be careful....



Steadfast, immutable why use these words if salvation is not assured.


The key is in verse 9 ; though we speak in this manner. The writer is using a hyperbola to make a point.

DO NOT return to judism. For even if it were possible, the foundation in Christ Jesus cannot be relaid. He then blasts into more foundational truths that make it clear, the law is superceded, a New High Priest has done it all once and for evermore.

And stuck in this sermon is the reason why this letter was written: so that you can endure, so your faith is full and fixed on the promise, so that when you enter the presence of the Lord, your joy may be full.

[ae123]

What if someone willfully relinquishes the salvation they had accepted at some point after accepting it?

And, is there such a thing as not being saved, besides in knowingly rejecting salvation with all knowledge of the consequences of both rejection and acceptance?

[Blood Bought]

What if someone willfully relinquishes the salvation they had accepted at some point after accepting it?

1 - No. Can't happen. The seal is not a man made seal to be broken. Sealed unto the day of redemption. If you're sealed, you're sealed unto the day of redemption. You're not sealed unto the time you don't want it anymore.

2 - Why in the world would anyone who knew they had eternal life through Christ Jesus, as opposed to eternal damnation, want to do that?

[Christina]

What if someone willfully relinquishes the salvation they had accepted at some point after accepting it?

And, is there such a thing as not being saved, besides in knowingly rejecting salvation with all knowledge of the consequences of both rejection and acceptance?

My question would be, knowing what Salvation is, knowing the sacrifice our Lord made for us, knowing the purpose of Salvation, why would someone who claims to be truly saved turn and relinquish your salvation? You don't get saved to in turn relinquish your Salvation. Anyone who claims to truly be saved knows that you can't relinquish your Salvation, if someone thinks they can and is mentally prepared to take this step, then in my opinion, they weren't saved in the first place.

You would have to understand what Salvation is and what is cost our Lord in order to understand why your question just doesn't make sense.