Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[wls]

No one can commit the unpardonable sin yet because it isn't possible.

Only when the false Christ (the Antichrist) is here and the Christians who know him (the AC in his false Messiah role) refuse to worship him are delivered up to him and if they then REFUSE to let God's Holy Spirit do the talking for them, then that's the "unpardonable" sin.

Also, the only ones who CAN commit it are the ones who know who the false Christ is to begin with during the Tribulation and also if they're destined to be delivered up before the Antichrist to testify against him. Only they can commit the unpardonable sin, but it's highly unlikely any will as they WANT to testify against the false Christ, and if anything they'll have trouble keeping their own words mute and letting The Lord's Words come through. :)

[Lucinda]

unbelief unto death
a person can repent from unbelief before death and be forgiven


Yes a person can repent from unbelief but if they don't(John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners)
If they continue in their unbelief,despite the drawing of the Holy Spirit,then this would be the unpardonable sin(To clarify..If a person dies in unbelief,not saying that unbelief can not be forgiven,if an unbeliever repents and accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior then God forgives them for their unbelief)God don't forgive the sins of an unbeliever in this life(unless one repents) and he will not forgive them at the judgement!
http://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html

Of course we all know that when the Pharisees were calling the miracles and the works of Jesus from the devil,Jesus told them that calling the workings of the Holy Spirit from the devil was blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
If none of us really can define this particular sin then the good news is(We haven't done it:yeah
One of Satan's dirtiest tricks is the spirit of unbelief.If Satan keeps someone in unbelief,he's got them!
1 John 4:3 But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.This is the spirit of the antichrist,which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

[HeIsEnough]

Maybe I am not explaining it well. I sometimes have a tough time with that.

Here is an article that articulates what I am trying to say.


Yes, I understand what you're saying and that viewpoint you've posted. But we also have John 16 showing that Christ must go, so the Spirit can be sent. It was at that time that the national rejection was done. Christ even forgave them, from the cross. No such forgiveness was given later, as they killed the Apostles.

[Buzzardhut]

No one can commit the unpardonable sin yet because it isn't possible.

Only when the false Christ (the Antichrist) is here and the Christians who know him (the AC in his false Messiah role) refuse to worship him are delivered up to him and if they then REFUSE to let God's Holy Spirit do the talking for them, then that's the "unpardonable" sin.

Also, the only ones who CAN commit it are the ones who know who the false Christ is to begin with during the Tribulation and also if they're destined to be delivered up before the Antichrist to testify against him. Only they can commit the unpardonable sin, but it's highly unlikely any will as they WANT to testify against the false Christ, and if anything they'll have trouble keeping their own words mute and letting The Lord's Words come through. :)

you are referring to the "strong delusion" not the" unpardonable sin"

[Shadow Girl]

If only William Cowper could have seen this. It would have saved him a lot of trouble.

[bek1]

Yes, I understand what you're saying and that viewpoint you've posted. But we also have John 16 showing that Christ must go, so the Spirit can be sent. It was at that time that the national rejection was done. Christ even forgave them, from the cross. No such forgiveness was given later, as they killed the Apostles.

Oh ok...i see what you are saying now. Israel was still being offered this thru most of Acts too. And I do see that. Which if they had already been guilty of the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit they would not have been given this second chance thru the apsotles ministry. It was during that time their rejection became solidified and complete. (is that what you are saying? I truly apologize if I am still not getting it, but I think Im getting it now..lol.)

[HeIsEnough]

Oh ok...i see what you are saying now. Israel was still being offered this thru most of Acts too. And I do see that. Which if they had already been guilty of the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit they would not have been given this second chance thru the apsotles ministry. It was during that time their rejection became solidified and complete. (is that what you are saying? I truly apologize if I am still not getting it, but I think Im getting it now..lol.)

Yes, that is what I am saying. :nod

It goes back to they were under the same convictions that we are today. God gave the gospel to us, and to Israel (Acts 9:15), and the Apostles ministered to the people of Israel for quite some time. They failed to heed the call, like so many others around us. Which brings it back to how can a man blaspheme the Spirit? It is to die in his sins, to treat Gods grace as an "unholy thing", and is said about the one who "has insulted the Spirit of grace" (Hebrews 10:29)

[4Godisjust]

very good thread....Thanks:wave

[CID03]

Yes, that is what I am saying. :nod

It goes back to they were under the same convictions that we are today. God gave the gospel to us, and to Israel (Acts 9:15), and the Apostles ministered to the people of Israel for quite some time. They failed to heed the call, like so many others around us. Which brings it back to how can a man blaspheme the Spirit? It is to die in his sins, to treat Gods grace as an "unholy thing", and is said about the one who "has insulted the Spirit of grace" (Hebrews 10:29)


It's amazing how some can build an entire doctrine off this one section of Hebrews. Some would claim this is directed at born again believers and I admit it bothered me for many years until I understood the context and who the letter was written too.

[Lucinda]

The Bible says that the unforgiveable sin is to speak against the Holy Spirit. There is no getting around this fact. Jesus emphasized it by warning us that we will give an account for EVERY careless word that we speak and to therefore watch what we say!

People try to build the case that having remorse over committing this sin somehow proves that it is forgiveable after all, but that is just speculation. The Bible never specifically says that experiencing sorrow somehow proves that speaking against the Holy Spirit can be forgiven, especially when Jesus clearly said that it can't. Judas also felt remorse over his sins too and we all know what happened to him.

I committed this sin in anger many years ago, so I know a little bit about it. I have heard the arguments that claim that it can be forgiven, but find them unconvincing. Most of them are built on speculation and a lot of them assume that a true born-again christian can never lose their salvation - which is not biblical IMO.

Jesus was not kidding when he said that speaking against the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable and He never said that only a nonbeliever can commit this sin either. Anybody, both believer and nonbeliever, can say something blasphemous of the Spirit of God if they choose to.

Thank you for what you wrote, Robert, but I still don't believe that people who commit this sin can be forgiven.

Do you have salvation through Jesus Christ?If the answer is yes, you are saved and have the Holy Spirit as a deposit,which is promised to all that accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior
Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth,the gospel of your salvation.Having BELIEVED,you were marked in him with a seal,the promised Holy Spirit
Ephesians 1:14 Who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the day of redemption of those who are God's possession to the praise of his glory.

Friend do you realize that Satan has told you a lie and your believing the lie.Do you realize that the Holy Spirit is the one who draws people to Christ?If your saved then the Holy Spirit indwells in your heart.If you think you've committed the unpardonable sin then do you know that you have salvation?Are you saved?