Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[CelticMist]

miqra' mik-raw' this is "called out" in Hebrew
no word in Greek for "called out"

Greek called = kleos as if being called; Hebrew called = qariy' kaw-ree'

But, 1 Corinthians 1:24 doesn't have the words "called out" its only "called".

[Leialoha]

In the first passage, its talking about the Jews, in verse 16 they are the Gentiles....

Next time you see the painting...look and see if you notice what is NOT there.


I know that picture well. The door knob is on the inside, not the outside. I loved that picture because Jesus looked so beautiful and peaceful. I also had that classic picture of Jesus' portrait next to my bed and a glow in the dark cross so that I could hopefully keep bad dreams away when I was a kid.

We don't get doctrine from art. Perhaps that should have been included in the poll asking what is right doctrine? :scratch

I know it can be hard to let go of what we thought was true. Someone used that verse out of context, a gazillion of us asked Jesus into our heart picturing that very peice of art. It actually is nice to understand the true meaning of the scripture and it holds much more depth than what I used to understand it to mean.

It's a good thing to let go of our ideas when we are shown that they were in error. Happens to me all the time:idunno

[CelticMist]

:scratch a bible verse to support it?

Your talking about Revelation 3 :20. It is used out of context all the time. I am the one who was looking for the proper understanding of the verse. Look at in in context. It isn't talking about God knocking on the heart of an unsaved person. It's talking about the church, not a call to salvation. It's about a call to fellowship with Christ. This is pretty accepted understanding of the verse by many mainstream theologians and has nothing to do with Calvinism. I'm not sure why you are holding on to how you have been taught the verse means along with that beautiful picture many of us grew up adoring. Here is the verses you are talking about:

Here is a super simple explaination of those verses:

http://www.faithalone.org/news/y2001/revelation.html

That painting by the way is MISSING the door knob... why is it not there? hmmm food for thought There is nothing wrong in me asking if you all have noticed what is NOT there. I love this painting cause its right on the money, hunny

Leialoha, you don't know who has taught me nor when.... you assume I attend a certain theology background, but I don't. I don't believe any of them are correct 100%.

Who gives you the authority to say that Christ is NOT in fact knocking on everyones heart? Who has given you authority to say that Christ didn't die for ALL mankind? Who has given you authority to say only a "small remenant" are saved from the beginning of time? Did God give you this authority or did a man's theory give it to you?

I'm sorry, I'm not angry nor bitter, just don't understand why those that follow John Calvin to a tee can point a finger to the organizations like Mormonism, Jehovah Witness, etc.; and at the same time tell all the rest of us that we are hell bound cause we seemingly have been lead astray according to the Calvinist viewpoint.

[CelticMist]

We don't get doctrine from art. Perhaps that should have been included in the poll asking what is right doctrine? :scratch



Any one that claims another doctrine is the correct one... deceives themself and leads others astray.

Sorry to step on the toes of those that believe in a doctrine that has extradicted from God's Holy Bible and staked claim as the "gospel" like the Calvinist have done and one stated in a thread here.

For the record.. I never said that painting was a 'DOCTRINE", but I guess you your way of thinking it is.

[BlessedinHim]

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

Here is an on line strongs that can help you with all the greek and hebrew stuff one word at a time.

I had never personally studied out this particular verse before, never felt a reason to question it, to be honest. Felt like when the Gospel is taught, the truth is knocking at your door and it is time to make a decision.

2 Corinthians 6
1We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

3Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:


I take this to mean, that when God is talking to you in your conscience, could be looked at as knocking at your hearts door, that we shouldnt take in vain the grace God has given us that woos us to accept Him.

Grace, belief, faith all work together to finish our salvation. One part of that missing, do we then have salvation? I dont think so. Of course, so that it wont look like I dont understand, Jesus dying and rising again makes all this possible in the first place.

[CelticMist]

Here is a super simple explaination of those verses:

http://www.faithalone.org/news/y2001/revelation.html

Is this site a Calvinist viewpoint, if so... sorry I will not go and subject myself to this theory that has many flaws within.

Are you all here only to promote Calvinism... or to learn with us all what the TRUE DOCTRINE is all about?

[Leialoha]

That painting by the way is MISSING the door knob... why is it not there? hmmm food for thought There is nothing wrong in me asking if you all have noticed what is NOT there. I love this painting cause its right on the money, hunny

Leialoha, you don't know who has taught me nor when.... you assume I attend a certain theology background, but I don't. I don't believe any of them are correct 100%.

Who gives you the authority to say that Christ is NOT in fact knocking on everyones heart? Who has given you authority to say that Christ didn't die for ALL mankind? Who has given you authority to say only a "small remenant" are saved from the beginning of time? Did God give you this authority or did a man's theory give it to you?

I'm sorry, I'm not angry nor bitter, just don't understand why those that follow John Calvin to a tee can point a finger to the organizations like Mormonism, Jehovah Witness, etc.; and at the same time tell all the rest of us that we are hell bound cause we seemingly have been lead astray according to the Calvinist viewpoint.

I have absolutely no authority. I never assumed anything about you. I'm just responding to your posts. I never said a small remnant is saved from the beginning of time.
You seem extremely angry and bitter to the point where you won't even look at the verse you misused and accept that it was used wrongly for that picture. Look back and read my posts and TRY to show me where I said any of the things you have accused me of saying.

I don't think there is any reasoning with you, and I'm sad about that because I have gently written each word with great care. Revelation 3:20 does not prove nor does it disprove if Jesus knocks on every single heart of every person who ever breathes life. It has nothing to do with salvation, it is speaking about the Church. I'm not sure why you are bringing this back to Calvinism.

I'd love to continue conversing with you, but it seems like you simply want to argue and disagree with everything I post. I'm not sure I should engage with that, or that it would benefit much for anyone.

[CelticMist]

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

Here is an on line strongs that can help you with all the greek and hebrew stuff one word at a time.

I had never personally studied out this particular verse before, never felt a reason to question it, to be honest. Felt like when the Gospel is taught, the truth is knocking at your door and it is time to make a decision.

2 Corinthians 6
1We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

3Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:


I take this to mean, that when God is talking to you in your conscience, could be looked at as knocking at your hearts door, that we shouldnt take in vain the grace God has given us that woos us to accept Him.

Grace, belief, faith all work together to finish our salvation. One part of that missing, do we then have salvation? I dont think so. Of course, so that it wont look like I dont understand, Jesus dying and rising again makes all this possible in the first place.
Its 1 Corinthians that she is questioning...

[BlessedinHim]

and one stated in a thread here.

what are you talking about in this point celtic? If I have made an error, please say so, My end is to get to what the whole truth is, even if it means my pryor understanding is wrong.

The bible always has the last say in my mind and heart.

[Leialoha]

Is this site a Calvinist viewpoint, if so... sorry I will not go and subject myself to this theory that has many flaws within.

Are you all here only to promote Calvinism... or to learn with us all what the TRUE DOCTRINE is all about?

Honestly, I say this with no sarcasm....What are you reading when you read my posts? You couldn't possibly be reading through each of my posts thoughtfully. There is no way you could come to the conclusions you are if you were.