Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[SPOKENWORD]

So, is the prize salvation? If that's the case then none of us can say we are saved... we can only say we are hoping we will be found saved at the end.

To hold this view of "endure" to the "end" cannot be maintained from the context of Matthew 24. I know that I am saved as of right this moment but I also know if I chose to sin and continue in it before I die I would be putting my salvation at risk.Sure Christ forgives us of all our sins but we must repent of them.Repent means to change not just crying out to God and say I,m sorry.

[Harley]

I know that I am saved as of right this moment but I also know if I chose to sin and continue in it before I die I would be putting my salvation at risk.Sure Christ forgives us of all our sins but we must repent of them.Repent means to change not just crying out to God and say I,m sorry.


"...choose to sin and continue is it..." - so one sin does not negate your salvation but continued sins do. Does continuing in sin mean the same sin over and over or a bunch of different sins every day?

Personally, I usually commit a bunch of different sins every day... granted, there is usually a theme, but from day to day they vary. I suppose if I kept track I would see a trend of similar/same sins. How does a person know when they have committed one sin too many, or one sin too many times?

[Harley]

...Sure Christ forgives us of all our sins but we must repent of them...

Do we need to repent of sins or sin?

Does Christ forgive only the sins of which we repent?

Why did Paul say to be saved we must profess Christ as Lord, not confess sins?

Can I just repents of all sins at once; past, present, and future and just get it over with?

[Harley]

The bottom line is; we all have anecdotal evidence of people who appear to have been saved and then lost, it's also very easy to build a logical case for needing to endure, or not sin to keep salvation...

...problem is, when considering the preponderance of Scriptures, it's pretty much an indefensible position.

[PeaceOfChrist]

I know that I am saved as of right this moment but I also know if I chose to sin and continue in it before I die I would be putting my salvation at risk.Sure Christ forgives us of all our sins but we must repent of them.Repent means to change not just crying out to God and say I,m sorry.

SpokenWord,
I respect your opinion concerning salvation, and come to you in Christ-like love to ask you a couple questions.

Your statement above seems to imply that we must be completely sinless at our point of death to enter Heaven. I believe that is impossible because of our sin nature. Even if we repent of our sins, we never become completely sinless until this life is over -- we are still under Adam and Eve's curse.

Besides, if your statement is true, none of us would enter Heaven. We must be honest with ourselves -- we sin continually. Sometimes we aren't even aware of our sins. Most of us can't even remember all of our sins so that we can properly repent of them. Is sin wrong? Yes. Should we repent of our sins? Yes. Do we continue to sin until this life is over? Unfortunately, yes.

Thank God for Christ, Who provided a ticket into Heaven despite our sin nature.

[goinghome]

It's debatable that the angels 'chose' to follow satan, he was their leader.
Only Satan was given free will, his legion was under his command.

Were the angels that remained in heaven given free will?

God created man with free will to show the angels grace and mercy in the midst of judgment.



Buzz, I'd like to study this, I always wondered how so many beings who've seen the glory of God face to face could just walk away from it. And even more disturbing, what's to keep some humans from doing the same after a billion years in Heaven..... Do you have any scriptures related to this? explanatory websites??? More of your educated theories on this would be nice too if you have time. Thanks!

[Just A Clay Pot]

A simple question would be: what sins didn't get paid for when Jesus was put to death on the cross? If you see the work of the cross as finished and complete, then the sins of each person were accounted as paid in full, from before conception til after death and all points in between (with future repentances being to maintain a healthy fellowship, and not to recapture salvation). If you see sin as something that is "paid as you go" (which I do not, but for the sake of argument...), then would not each sin be covered by Christ's blood as they occurred, thus showing the power of the blood to pay the debt regardless of when a person acknowledges the occurrance (which again would make repentance from future sins a part of keeping a healthy fellowship and not required for continued salvation)? The only point where we start having trouble is when we try to make the cross only partially effective, and think that we must ask to be forgiven for each new sin in order for it to be paid for. This makes the cross very weak, and requires us to recrucify Jesus each time. And this is what Paul has already said is an incorrect way of thinking.

[The Learner]

A simple question would be: what sins didn't get paid for when Jesus was put to death on the cross? If you see the work of the cross as finished and complete, then the sins of each person were accounted as paid in full, from before conception til after death and all points in between (with future repentances being to maintain a healthy fellowship, and not to recapture salvation). If you see sin as something that is "paid as you go" (which I do not, but for the sake of argument...), then would not each sin be covered by Christ's blood as they occurred, thus showing the power of the blood to pay the debt regardless of when a person acknowledges the occurrance (which again would make repentance from future sins a part of keeping a healthy fellowship and not required for continued salvation)? The only point where we start having trouble is when we try to make the cross only partially effective, and think that we must ask to be forgiven for each new sin in order for it to be paid for. This makes the cross very weak, and requires us to recrucify Jesus each time. And this is what Paul has already said is an incorrect way of thinking.

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Our sins were forgiven at the Cross, nuff said.

[Saved by Grace_06]

I'm young. I'm only a babe in Christ. I'm often proud. I have so much more to learn and apply in my walk. Now, that being said, let me say this:

It is topics like this why I believe that we need to get back to Biblical theology. People always say, "we don't need theology. Its man made. blah blah blah" but they don't even know an essential doctrine like Perserance of the Saints or Eternal Security. "My people perish for a lack of knowledge" the Lord said. And so it is true. At best, a person without a good understand of sound doctrine and correct theology will have a walk that is weak, small, and glib - at best.

Oh! that God would bring a reformation to his church!

[TheWorkman]

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I'm young. I'm only a babe in Christ. I'm often proud. I have so much more to learn and apply in my walk. Now, that being said, let me say this:

It is topics like this why I believe that we need to get back to Biblical theology. People always say, "we don't need theology. Its mad made. blah blah blah" but they don't even know an essential doctrine like Perserance of the Saints or Eternal Security. "My people perish for a lack of knowledge" the Lord said. And so it is true. At best, a person without a good understand of sound doctrine and correct theology will have a walk that is weak, small, and glib - at best.

Oh! that God would bring a reformation to his church!