Once a Sheep Always a Sheep, or Salvation Deficit Disorder?

[micky7215]

and with their statement.... after each time they sin, they recruxify Christ on the cross with their repentive heart....

Sorry this thread is just a very discouraging thread ... here you have someone who is a Christian... yet .. .will not or just refuses to accept what every one has said in different ways .... you can't lose what was given to you. You can't compare us to the angels in heaven.

To the babes in Christ... please don't let this thread make you think you can lose your salvation.. and if you die with sin on you.. you are headed for hell.

Where has the sound doctrine gone?

I so agree and especially with what you said, " They recruxify Christ on the Cross" This is my favorite "comeback" if you will, to people who ask, " Can I lose my Salvation? I always answer with that phrase, "Will you repeatedly Nail Jesus back to the Cross over and over" How terrible! Why can't they
understand, "Jesus died on the Cross one time for "SIN", singular, not plural of the World.

:)

[quasarsphere]

Why would it be unjust? Inconsistent on your part, but why an injustice on God's?

It just seems to me to be an injustice towards himself, and to those who genuinely strove to devote their lives to him if he let an atheist in who didn't give a toss about him. Specially if it was on what I personally regard as a silly little technicality. Because it seems to me that if he'd let me in on a silly little technicality, what's to stop him from keeping you out on an equally silly technicality?

Unless, of course, you and I were both to get into Heaven, but you got access to the VIP lounge and I didn't. That seems less unfair to me. Still weird though.


If things are as you say, then you are right, God would not say "Well done..." - but that's not a salvific issues anyway.

Is it not? OK. I was always under the impression that there were two possibilities - "well done, thou good and faithful servant," and "depart from me, ye cursed".

[micky7215]

Do you think God doesn't know that we will sin after we're saved? Of course, He does, He knows everything. Do you think you are disappointing Him? He knows that the flesh is "sinful" and we are still "in the flesh" as long as we remain on this Earth. Too much emphasis is put on what "we" may or may not do to lose our Salvation. If we were truly Saved to begin with, there's nothing "we" can do to negate what Jesus has done through us by way of The Holy Spirit, and we are sealed forever and ever, period. If there were no good behavior or works we could do to earn our Salvation, then there are no good works or behavior we can do to lose it.

Romans 8:15
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

[A BELIEVER]

If you "COULD" lose your Salvation Jesus never would of said "it's finished" on the cross. :yeah

PS: If your a "BAD" witness for God, I believe God will cut your life short. God want leave you here so others will say "if that is a Christian I don't want any part of that life"

[Harley]

It just seems to me to be an injustice towards himself, and to those who genuinely strove to devote their lives to him if he let an atheist in who didn't give a toss about him. Specially if it was on what I personally regard as a silly little technicality. Because it seems to me that if he'd let me in on a silly little technicality, what's to stop him from keeping you out on an equally silly technicality?

Unless, of course, you and I were both to get into Heaven, but you got access to the VIP lounge and I didn't. That seems less unfair to me. Still weird though.



Is it not? OK. I was always under the impression that there were two possibilities - "well done, thou good and faithful servant," and "depart from me, ye cursed".

Good points - thanks for the response.

As to the former - an injustice toward himself is an interesting concept. Particularly when the whole sacrifice of Jesus was an injustice to Christ - in a sense. That said, now we're talking about what goes on within the Godhead and that's when it becomes speculative.

To the latter - in that sense you are right, two choices.

I guess this falls under the category of anecdotal theology. Whenever this comes up someone always has an example of a professed believer who has left the faith. In this case the example is first-personal.

In any case we are best to determine our theology and then apply it to examples, not determine our theology by examples - the latter is what I call anecdotal theology.

[discerner]

Can one lose their salvation?:scratch

Nope.

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

[HeIsEnough]

But anyway, I was saved, I believed, but I don't believe any more.

If you don't mind repeating some things perhaps....what exactly did you believe?

[quasarsphere]

If you don't mind repeating some things perhaps....what exactly did you believe?

Well, the church into which I was baptised was the Wellington Revival Center. Some info about them here: http://www.rci.org.au/

I left them in favour of my Youth For Christ mates (the two groups didn't like each other at all, and knowing this I decided in advance that I would choose against the first one to tell me "it's them or us") and started attending the Christian City Church, which is now known as The Rock. http://www.therock.co.nz/index.lasso

The Revival Center is viewed with suspicion by cults.co.nz

The Rock is HUGE, and even then I cared not for huge churches. The Revival Center was a small group, and had a family atmosphere that I rather liked.

[Buzzardhut]

Well, the church into which I was baptised was the Wellington Revival Center. Some info about them here: http://www.rci.org.au/

I left them in favour of my Youth For Christ mates (the two groups didn't like each other at all, and knowing this I decided in advance that I would choose against the first one to tell me "it's them or us") and started attending the Christian City Church, which is now known as The Rock. http://www.therock.co.nz/index.lasso

The Revival Center is viewed with suspicion by cults.co.nz

The Rock is HUGE, and even then I cared not for huge churches. The Revival Center was a small group, and had a family atmosphere that I rather liked.

I've been to Christian City Church in Rockwall, Texas
They do not have a strong Christian foundation.
I can see why it's easy to fall away..

[quasarsphere]

I've been to Christian City Church in Rockwall, Texas
They do not have a strong Christian foundation.
I can see why it's easy to fall away..

And therein lies another huge problem I have with the whole thing - it seems to me that every church says that about every other church. That, to me, seems like a strong argument for all religion being man made.