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ioannes
December 16th, 2009, 02:11 PM
Can we ad also Ps;18:19 and Ps 118:5 as rapture texts, In Dutch (I am from Belgium) a large space is translated as "space", a place up there in the clouds?
David cried it out in a moment of distress

HisAlways
December 16th, 2009, 08:56 PM
number 32 is a good point I hadn't thought of before....

Rev 13:7 doesn't mention the gates of hell; Matthew does. These are two separate scriptures, and not ran into one scripture.

My pastor argues that the "saints" in Rev 13:7 is the church. He does not believe in the pre trib rapture. He claims that many Christians suffered death, torture and persecution before the coming and after the coming of Christ; even until this day, so the rest of the church will too.:idunno

One-last-push
December 18th, 2009, 07:50 AM
In order to suggest that the Church will go through the Tribulation, someone has to argue each of those away.

Can't wait!

stephen
December 18th, 2009, 08:05 AM
great post- the verry best i have read in a long time












lol-stephen

QuickenMe
December 18th, 2009, 10:20 AM
Can we ad also Ps;18:19 and Ps 118:5 as rapture texts, In Dutch (I am from Belgium) a large space is translated as "space", a place up there in the clouds?
David cried it out in a moment of distress

Thanks for mentioning Ps;18:19 and Ps 118:5. I have never heard these two verses relating to the rapture, but they certainly seem to pertain to it.

I plugged these verses into the Interlinear Study Bible for the Hebrew word for large space - broad or roomy place, wide, expanses (mer-khawb') and found a similar verse in 2 Samuel 22:20
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/merchab.html

2 Samuel 22:17He sent from above, he took me; he drew me out of many waters; 22:18He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me. 22:19They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay. 22:20He brought me forth also into a large place: he delivered me, because he delighted in me. 22:21The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.