Contemplative and the New Age

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Robert Schullers Crystal Cathedral, is emerging/ent church. Many emerging/ent leaders like Leonard Sweet are speakers at Robert Schullers, Leadership conferences and have gone through the "possibility thinkers leadership school" Schullers statement of faith


The New Possibility Thinkers Bible hardbound with sleeve.

This specially prepared Bible contains "150 stepping stones of faith" explaining the most significant and important concepts of the Bible. Over 1,500 positive verses have been highlighted plus special features including 150 Possibility Thinker's Articles.

This classic New King James Version of the Holy Bible also contains:

Possibility Verses for Positive Living
Prayers for Positive Faith
The Possibility Thinker's Creed
The Greatest Possibility Thinker Who Ever Lived
Book Introductions
Topic Index
50 In-text Maps and 195 Page Concordance

Crystal Cathedral The purpose of Rancho Capistrano is to provide a "spiritual oasis" where people can find peace and balance of body, mind and spirit, and grow in their understanding of themselves, others and God.

labyrinths
http://www.damanhur.info/en/html/ArcMagazineDet.asp?IDArt=45

Reiki, Zen,Yoga, labyrinths, silence, darkness, vibrations,
http://home.centurytel.net/spiritualitycenter/html/2006.html


Father Richard Rohr and Jim Wallis were speakers at the annual Religious Education Conference of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles

Rohr changed some of the prayers of the Liturgy of the Eucharist. Opening the preface, he prayed, “Father and Mother God....” Before the consecration of the host, he said, “before he was given up to death, a death he said ‘Yes’ to....” And before the consecration of the wine, Rohr prayed, “when supper was ended, he gave you thanks and praise, gave the cup to his beloved....” Following the consecration, Rohr said the Christ's bloood “will be poured out for you, and for all, so you will know your sins are forgiven.”

Rohr prefaced the Our Father, by saying, “and now, knowing we are more one than we are many, though we come from different places and races, we all share the same Father-Mother God. We call upon our God, together, in the words that Jesus gave us: Our Father, Who art in Heaven...”

Emerginging church is Jungs Archetypes in a new version, called Integral creation Spirituality, many involved are psychologists.

Ken Wilber, Joe Firmage, Leonard Sweet, Barbara Marx Hubbard, Marcus Borg, Matthew Fox, Thomas Merton, Father Thomas Keating, Bishop Swing, Bishop Spong, Alan Jones, Don Beck, Jay Gary, Brian Mclaren, Diana Eck, Father Richard Rohr who supports soulforce, many others

They teach a Cosmic Consciousness/Conscious Evolution Birthing, Contemplative Spirituality, a Counterfeit Unity, Co-Exist pluralism, an alternative for Armageddon. Many are promoting Buddhism, the UN, and the United Religion initiative/URI earth charter ark.. Hell is really purgatory, it does not last forever, it's a period of conscious punishment, ...

Conscious Evolution is a new social/scientific/spiritual meta-discipline. This worldview has progressed from Einstein's early admonitions that humankind cannot solve our problems from the same place of consciousness in which we created them, through noted scientists and philosophers such as Julian Huxley, Teilhard de Chardin, Sri Aurobindo, Abraham H. Maslow, Jonas Salk, to today's social scientists such as Bela H. Banathy, Hazel Henderson, Riane Eisler, Ervin Laszlo, Jean Houston, Duane Elgin, Edgar Mitchell, Ken Wilber, Peter Russell, Elisabet Sahtouris, Don Beck and many others who are building frameworks for practical application in health, governance, education, management, environment, science, the arts and media.


http://www.evolve.org/pub/doc/evolve_what_is_ce.html


Book Description
Integral Spirituality is being widely called the most important book on spirituality in our time. Applying his highly acclaimed integral approach, Ken Wilber formulates a theory of spirituality that honors the truths of modernity and postmodernity—including the revolutions in science and culture—while incorporating the essential insights of the great religions. He shows how spirituality today combines the enlightenment of the East, which excels at cultivating higher states of consciousness, with the enlightenment of the West, which offers developmental and psychodynamic psychology. Each contributes key components to a more integral spirituality.On the basis of this integral framework, a radically new role for the world’s religions is proposed. Because these religions have such a tremendous influence on the worldview of the majority of the earth’s population, they are in a privileged position to address some of the biggest conflicts we face. By adopting a more integral view, the great religions can act as facilitators of human development: from magic to mythic to rational to pluralistic to integral—and to a global society that honors and includes all the stations of life along the way.

http://www.amazon.com/Integral-Spiri.../dp/1590303466


According to Fr. Rohr, this nudity occurs spontaneously. "This is not part of my agenda that they're supposed to . . . it's just that we have a fire, and then predictably men start doing the same old damn things, all again and again and again. There's this deep desire to get naked, to somehow, even risk nakedness in front of one another. To expose the self. That's really pretty archetypal. It shouldn't really surprise us at all, should it? I mean, that's really what all lovemaking is, of course — could you love me when you see me in my nakedness? Could I still be beautiful, could I still be attractive to you in my nakedness? Can you see it all and still be desirous of me?"

"And then beginning with the elders I lead them through an extended meditation. . . . I invite them to lie down in what is, for the male, the most vulnerable position — on his back. Then the other men surround them and cradle their bodies and especially touch and lay hands on and pray over those places where the man holds wounds...."

http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?RecNum=649

Contemplative Priest Father Rohr, uses the same language about Albert Einstein as Barbara Marx Hubbard, you read it repeatly in emerging Church. He calls God a she, and a higher power, in this two minute lesson. http://www.cacradicalgrace.org/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AC-T-04&Category_Code=AC&Product_Count=2


Richard Rohr. Matthew Fox, Richard Foster, Dalai Lama, Diana Eck
http://www.spiritualityandpractice.com/teachers/index.php?pg=2



I AM, by Joe Firmage, a pluralism film, which places Jesus, on the same level with all the ascended masters
http://iamawakening.org/

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Thomas Berry, Carl Sagan, Brian Swimme, Matthew Fox, Pastor Michael Dowd,


Pastor Michael Dowd, who is continuing Thomas Barry's work, is claiming the fish fin, evolved into a foot, and the site of the Coelacanth fish, is considered a pilgrimage site, where people chant, meditate, do circles around the fish?


Berry calls for a new cosmology, expressed in a "New Story" or mythic consciousness that will reunite humans with the creative energy of the universe and overcome our destructive spiritual estrangement from the source of life. Berry's work offers both a conceptual framework for understanding how this western cultural estrangement has come about and a means of overcoming it through his new cosmology. Implicit in Berry's work is a reunification of science and religion through an "Earth Spirituality," an incarnational spirituality, an affirmation of the spiritual potential of matter, and a reflection of how we treat the material world. Berry, in a clever pun, calls himself a "geologian," not a theologian, meaning presumably that he is concerned with the earth, not with God, and reflecting the focus of his spirituality.

http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/GreatWork.html


Pilgrimage, Not Tourism



In addition to identifying sites, we are looking for the creative assistance of those who know and love a site to introduce us to it during our travels. A visit to a sacred site of any kind is not intended as tourism but pilgrimage. How does one prepare to make such a pilgrimage? What does one read or meditate on in advance? And, when there, what ways of being are appropriate? Rituals? Chants? Practices?

For example, Connie felt called, while visiting the preserved Coelacanth fish at Harvard's museum, to "circumambulate" it, as it stands in a glass container in the center of a room. Circumambulation, walking, commemorates this ancestor of the first vertebrates that came out of the sea onto land and invented vertebrate walking.

At Down House in England, Connie walked meditatively the same Sand Path that Darwin would walk to ruminate on ideas while working on his Origin of Species. She first thought of a natural history question she wished insight into, then walked the path ruminating on the question.


http://www.thegreatstory.org/sacred_sites.html


Until this discovery in South Africa upset all our man-made definitions, the span of the coelacanths on earth was thought to have ended with the Mesozoic Era, the time during which dinosaurs ruled the land. Yet even at that far distant period in earth history they were already the long-persistent survivors of much earlier ancestors, for their crossopterygian relatives lived far back in Devonian times, some 300 million years ago—long before the dinosaurs began, before there were any such things as land-living vertebrates. And it was these Devonian crossopterygians with their lobed fins, so prophetic of the limbs of later vertebrates, that were the direct ancestors not only of their little-changed descendants, the coelacanths, but also of the first amphibians, which were the first vertebrates to venture out of the water for a new life on the land. They in turn were the ancestors of the reptiles, birds and finally the mammals, including man

http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/editors_pick/1939_05_pick.html

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THE TRINITY OF ROBERT SCHULLER ... AND ...
This article by Robert H. Schuller taken from the Hour of Power website was also a sermon I personally witnessed him preach on TBN Sunday August 27, 2006. Of course Schuller is noted for his man-pleasing soft sermons of self-esteem but in this blasphemous work he fully reveals his love for the creature rather than the Creator when he actually equates man with God:

In Genesis we read that "human beings are created in the image of God." (Genesis 1:27). Well, if we are created in the image of God and God is a Trinity, are we a trinity? Yes we are. Every human being is three persons in one. (emphasis mine)
This man-loving message by Robert Schuller also reveals the root of his own universal bent which he apparently received from his own mentor Norman Vincent Peale. Consider this from Dr. Walter Martin:

Today we see a specter rising in [the Cult of Liberal Theology] the greatest of all the cults. It is the doctrine of universalism. Karl Barth taught it, neo-orthodoxy teaches it. It is the leaven of the Sadduccess and Pharisees. And it reaches out and Dr. Norman Vincent Peale has become a convert to it.
Dr. Peale no longer believes in the existence of Hell, he no longer believes in a personal Devil, [and] he no longer believes in everlasting punishment. Well then, what are you saved from? What did Jesus die for? (The Annihilation of Hell, CD Rom)
In this article Schuller also quotes this bit of repugnant heresy from apostate Roman Catholic priest Archbishop Fulton Sheen, of whom Schuller says, “I consider him to be the greatest theologian and the greatest mind and spirit in the 20th century”:
If God wanted to communicate to birds He'd have to become a bird. If He wanted to communicate to dogs, He'd have to become a dog. If he wanted to communicate to humans, He'd have to become a human. And that's what happened.
Have you ever read such foolishness? The truth is the Creator God of the universe has no trouble communicating, His problem is mankind refusing to listen. And let me also point out a very key problem as here we have a flat denial of the inspiration of Holy Scripture through which God communicated with us long before He ever became man.

And then there’s this statement of modalism that even Oneness Pentecostal heretic T.D. Jakes would agree with:

The Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity! God the Father; God the Son; God the Holy Spirit. You say, “Well, do you understand that? No. I don’t understand supernatural math. One plus one plus one equals one. I don’t understand that. People of other religions criticize us; they say, “Oh you’re not monotheistic, you’re polytheistic, you have three Gods. We do not; there is three in one.
There are many ways to try to explain this, but I’ve not found a metaphor that is really very effective. And you know I-I know plenty of ‘em; one would be, I am a father, I am a husband and I am a son, but it’s just one person! Now that’s a effort to find a metaphor, but the mystery of God is beyond human ability to understand and communicate, we just know the truth of His Book and understand that the Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Trinity… (“The Secret,”:puke ACD1490, Saturday, April 14, 2007, 20:14-21:22)
He has just said that God is one Person who acts in three different ways, but you see, this wasn’t Robert Schuller. No, it was Dr. Ed Young of Second Baptist Church, :doh which just might tell us why he was willing to share the platform with T.D Jakes and his son Ed Young, Jr.

How pitiful, you've just seen Pastor Ed Young, a two time President of the Southern Baptist Convention, unable to explain the nature of the God he serves. Or just maybe he is a modalist like Jakes? In any event, you can read the rest of Schuller’s sermon of love of the self HERE.

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/04/the_trinity_of_1.html

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Robert Schuller and the New Age --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From Robert Schuller's book, My Journey ...
"I met once more with the Grand Mufti (a Muslim), truly one of the great Christ-honoring leaders of faith. ... I'm dreaming a bold impossible dream: that positive-thinking believers in God will rise above the illusions that our sectarian religions have imposed on the world, and that leaders of the major faiths will rise above doctrinal idiosyncrasies, choosing not to focus on disagreements, but rather to transcend divisive dogmas to work together to bring peace and prosperity and hope to the world...." p. 502


"Standing before a crowd of devout Muslims with the Grand Mufti, I know that we're all doing God's work together. Standing on the edge of a new millennium, we're laboring hand in hand to repair the breach." p. 501 :willie :willie

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/robertschuller.htm

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Robert Schuller and The Seeker Sensitive Church

by Bob DeWaay



"For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for signs, and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.” (1Corinthians 1:21-24)

Two men met another man as they were walking down a road. They were having a private discussion when the third man began questioning them. The third man soon dominated the conversation. Throughout the rest of their journey, the man began with the books of Moses and proceeded to explain to them, verse by verse, all of the Old Testament passages that pertained to the Jewish Messiah. It turned out the third man was Jesus the Messiah. The resurrected Jewish Messiah had joined them on their journey and preached a sermon from Old Testament messianic prophecy. Here is how the two described their experience of this talk on the road to Emmaus: "Were not our hearts burning within us while He was speaking to us on the road, while He was explaining the Scriptures to us?” (Luke 24:32).

We do not have a transcription of the exact passages Jesus cited or how He explained them. Yet we have enough information in the New Testament about Messianic prophecy to reconstruct a similar sermon. Did you know that in many of the largest so-called "evangelical” churches in America such a sermon would never be tolerated? Hundreds of thousands of professed Christians go to churches where Jesus’ sermon on the road to Emmaus would considered "irrelevant” to the "felt needs” of the congregation. The hearts of church-goers no longer "burn” in conviction, joy, or intense devotion to God and His Word, because it is seldom heard. If the pastor of one of these churches announced a sermon that would outline all of the Old Testament prophecies about Messiah, the likely result would be yawns, moans, and bewilderment over how the church lost its "vision,” or mass exodus to a church that understood the "needs” of modern "seekers.”

How did we get to this situation? I credit Robert Schuller as the key person to have orchestrated this previously unimaginable change in evangelical Christianity. It was Schuller’s bold move, beginning in 1955, to integrate the positive thinking philosophy of Norman Vincent Peale with savvy, business oriented marketing techniques that brought thousands into what eventually became the Crystal Cathedral. In the process he also developed his hugely successful television broadcast. Though he did not coin the phrase "seeker-sensitive,” his success and ideas have inspired many of the most successful "seeker” churches in America.



Robert Schuller and Old Fashioned Liberalism
Robert Schuller does not claim to be a liberal. He still is affiliated with a Reformed denomination1 and willingly calls himself "evangelical.” Yet when Schuller appeared on Larry King Live just before Christmas 1999, I heard him proclaim, "I am not trying to convert anyone from another religion, I am only try to reach people who have no religion.” If so, he has just ruled out billions of people as possible recipients of the gospel. The vast majority of Americans claim to be Christian and most of the rest claim some religion. So also the majority of the people throughout the world have some religious affiliation. The idea that one ought not try to convert others to the Christian faith is liberal to the core.

Dr. Schuller has other things in common with religious liberalism. In 1982, Schuller wrote a book claiming that the church needed to be reformed based on the psychological theory of self-esteem.2 He has often been quoted as suggesting that Christian theology ought to be more man-centered rather than God-centered. As we shall show, Schuller’s teachings have their roots in early twentieth century liberalism. Many people know that Norman Vincent Peale was a key person in the development of Robert Schuller’s ministry, but most do not know the roots of Peale’s and after him Schuller’s approach to Christianity.

In his book, Your Church Has a Fantastic Future,3 Dr. Schuller describes how he started with $500 and a dream. Eventually he built the Crystal Cathedral and his multimillion dollar Television ministry. He rented a drive in theater in 1955 and began to take Dr. Norman Vincent Peale’s message of positive thinking to the people. He writes:

Then I proceeded to spend about $50 for brochures. Hoping to impress unchurched people, I wrote to Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, who wrote back a marvelous statement with his permission to quote extensively. So I grabbed hold of his coattails.4
In 1957 he persuaded Peale to speak at his drive in church.5 From Peale he learned a key lesson about appealing to the "unchurched.” The lesson was, "Jesus never called a person a sinner.”6 This insight led to Schuller’s philosophy of possibility thinking and self-esteem. Schuller writes: "[P]ossibility thinking and self-esteem theology can both be summarized in this single sentence: The ‘I am’ determines the ‘I can.’”7 His idea was that the key to making positive thinking work out practically was to develop high self-esteem. He imagines that people to not realize their full potential because of low self-esteem.

Dr. Schuller usually does not come out and deny any key evangelical beliefs. He says that he believes in the various points of orthodoxy. He even interacts with his critics who claim he skips essential aspects of the gospel. For example, when someone questions him on not preaching that we must deny ourselves, take up our crosses and follow Jesus, he is ready with an explanation that possibility thinking is doing just that: "To deny yourself means daring to ask God, ‘What do you want me to do’?”8 This sets in motion God’s answer. Eventually the question leads to this: "[Y]ou’re going to get a dream. And anytime a dream comes from God, it is going to be humanly impossible to accomplish.”9 This all leads to his version of "faith” and success through possibility thinking and self-esteem. So through this clever process, taking up one’s cross and denying self actually means letting God make you more successful than you ever thought possible and having high self-esteem. He then goes on to scold those of us who still think that Jesus’ point is that the cross is an instrument of death and that we must die to our old sinful self. He claims such preaching produces "sick people.”10

Similarly, Dr. Schuller is ready with versions of the 10 Commandments and other Biblical issues that fit his theology. This is Schuller’s nice, user friendly version of the decalogue: "The answer is simple. The Ten Commandments are given to us in order to show us how to live in such an ethical behavioral pattern that we will feel good about ourselves. The Ten Commandments are not 10 negative restrictions.”11 The sin nature gets a similar treatment. While not denying its existence, Dr. Schuller defines sin as a lack of faith. Our sin is that, "We’re conceived and born without faith, without any belief.”12 So we need faith, and most importantly we need to believe in ourselves (and God of course). Since Dr. Schuller publicly claims to not seek the conversion of people from other religions, obviously faith in God need not be described in Christian terms. So whatever issue comes along, possibility thinking and self-esteem have the answer.



The Legacy and Roots of Dr. Schuller’s Ideas
Having settled these issues, the rest of the book tells us how to be successful and concludes with testimonies of dozens of successful pastors who got their church growth ideas from Dr. Schuller. C. Peter Wagner, a key promoter of modern church growth theory, sings the praises of Dr. Schuller in the preface of the book.13 Bill Hybels, the pastor of the now famous Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois, is among many notables who claim to at least partially owe their success to Schuller’s principles. According to Hybels’ testimony, he got his inspiration from one of Dr. Schuller’s church growth seminars.14

It is undeniable that Robert Schuller started a trend that grew into a huge movement that is now engulfing much of evangelicalism. I know from personal experience that evangelical seminaries are promoting the latest seeker-sensitive approaches to church growth as if it were a do or die situation. During the last seven years, I sat through many classes and seminars promoting this approach. In preparation for this article I ran a search on the seminary library computer and found 400 books on the topic. As I paged through dozens of these books I encountered a confusing array of opinions. One book said that one should never call the church "the family of God” since families are closed units and people will not feel welcome. Then another said that young wandering souls are looking for a sense of family. Another suggested that if a church is going to ever have over 200 members, the pastor must make it clear from the beginning that he will do no hospital visitation, personal counseling, or personal, pastoral care of the members. His role is to build a team, with him as the manager.

Though confusing, there is a unifying theme: in America, nothing succeeds like success. When I was in Bible college in the 1970’s, the visiting speakers were often the latest successful pastors whose churches grew to 2,000. Many at that time succeeded by buying a fleet of old school buses and going around town offering to bring people’s kids to Sunday School so the parents could sleep in. We were expected to listen in envy of the glorious success of these contemporary church growth heroes. Soon the whole bus ministry thing became passé and something else took its place. When I went back to seminary, eighteen years after graduating from Bible college, I was confronted with a whole new generation of super-star pastors to emulate. These new heroes have found a new key, the "unchurched” are "seekers” who will come if the service is "relevant.”

The year I graduated from seminary (1999) I heard a young pastor in chapel who had managed to start a new congregation from scratch and had come back to tell us of his success. His message was entitled "Thinking Outside the Box.” Supposedly Jesus was good at thinking outside the box (notice the similarity to "possibility thinking”). The way this young man practiced his theory, was that he had a Sunday morning service with coffee tables and coffee. Those who come to the meeting view clips of Hollywood movies and discuss what point they think the movie is trying to make. Schuller got his start in a drive in movie theater preaching possibility thinking and look at his success. Maybe this young man is on to something!

What I think is this: most of those jumping on this modern bandwagon do not realize that this is simply old-fashioned liberalism. Sadly, some probably do know this and simply do not care. We shall see this by examining the roots of the movement.

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The Harry Emerson Fosdick Connection
After the modernist controversy of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, there was a huge upheaval in American Christianity. The modernists denied the authority and inerrancy of Scripture. Those who opposed them were called "Fundamentalists,” so named after a document called "The Fundamentals.” These were simply the basics of the Christian faith that had been believed since the time of the apostles. Creation versus evolution was a key issue, but not the only one. Even the deity and resurrection of Christ were questioned. What emerged from this was the birth of many denominations we now know as "evangelical.” On the other hand, liberals took control of the seminaries and headquarters of most of the older, main-line denominations.

A key modernist of the early twentieth century who was perhaps the most successful of all liberals (at that time) in gaining a national audience was Harry Emerson Fosdick. Fosdick was able to take his liberal message to the masses at a time when most modernists were fighting behind the scenes battles to control denominations and their seminaries. Several historians have commented on this. For example, Leonard Sweet writes, "Suffice it to say that while a few modernist preachers like Harry Emerson Fosdick, Norman Vincent Peale, Ralph Sockman, and Robert Schuller pioneered in the use of mass communications media (radio, television, publishing ventures, computer mailings, etc.), by and large modernist clergy were content to remain inky-fingered, acting as if the communications revolution had never taken place.”15

Fosdick strongly believed in his modernism and was willing to battle for it. He fought battles in the Presbyterian and Northern Baptist denominations on behalf of modernism against fundamentalism.16 In the midst of the modernist controversy in the Presbyterian church, Fosdick wrote an article in the New York Times rebutting a previous article by William Jennings Bryan that had called evolution "unscientific and irreligious.”17 Fosdick promoted the theory of evolution. He soon after preached his most famous sermon, "Shall the Fundamentalists Win?”18 Fosdick’s point was to say that the fundamentalists could not "drive out from the Christian churches all the consecrated souls who do not agree with their theory of inspiration.”19 This was a key shot fired in the fundamentalist-modernist war. Fosdick was eventually driven out of the Presbyterian pulpit, but this was merely the beginning of his successful career. After other battles, and with the considerable financial help of John D. Rockefeller, Fosdick established the interdenominational Riverside Church in New York.20

A key question that comes to mind is: if you no longer believe in the inspiration of Scripture, what do you preach? Fosdick had no problems with finding sermon topics. For one thing, he did not deny everything in the Bible. He had his own way of believing it. As is typical with liberalism, rather than believing the Bible is the word of God, he believed it contained the word of God.21 So the Bible is still useful, but the preacher evidently decides which parts are useful. Fosdick believed in the resurrection, for he wrote "I believe in Christ, his deity, his sacrificial saviorhood, his resurrected and triumphant life, his rightful Lordship. . .”22 This sounds good, until one finds out that he did not believe in Christ’s bodily resurrection which the New Testament writers so steadfastly affirmed as necessary to the faith. Fosdick said, "I believe in the persistence of personality, but I do not believe in the resurrection of the flesh.”23 The following explanation by Fosdick’s biographer is enlightening:

Fosdick could not believe that Jesus was virgin born. He did not ridicule those who did, but he was adamant that such belief was not essential to acceptance of Christian faith. . . . Fosdick doubted whether Jesus ever thought of himself as the Messiah; perhaps he did, but more probably "Jesus’ disciples may have read this into his thinking. . . .”24
The modernist can still preach about God, Christ, faith, and even make use of the Bible. The key is to center the message on human needs and understand Christian ministry as a "helping profession.”

To this end, psychology is a key aspect of Christian ministry for the liberal or modernist preacher. Historian Glenn T. Miller sees religious liberalism as one source of the professional approach to religious education. He writes, "American religious liberalism was dissatisfied with traditional pastoral care.”25 This led to the, "understanding of the minister as an advisor on life’s way. . . .”26 Glenn Miller provides the following insight into Fosdick’s role in this:

Harry Emerson Fosdick in the North, and Theodore Adams in the South, incorporated counseling into their ministries. Both Adams and Fosdick consulted psychologists and psychiatrists, served their churches as counselors, and, more importantly, used psychological insights in their widely imitated preaching.27
So for modernists, helping people along the way with whatever means are available through the culture is a key to preaching and ministry. As for Fosdick and the Fundamentalists, Fosdick wrote "We won our battle.”28 His biographer, Robert Moats Miller shares an interesting insight on this matter:

[He] was correct only in the limited sense that the liberals were not driven from the churches. I may very well be that for tens of millions in every era Fosdick’s liberalism could never adequately answer the terrors of human existence. Nevertheless, when he added, "it was one of the most necessary theological battles every fought,” he was right on the money, for millions found in his evangelical liberalism the only religious answer possible for them.29
Robert Moats Miller wrote his biography on Fosdick from the perspective of an admirer. His understanding that there were many who needed Fosdick’s approach as "the only religious answer possible” is a key point. It likely is based on the fact that once one accepts a supposedly true theory of evolution and a historically and scientifically flawed Bible, one must either reject Christian religion or find a way to change its essence so that is no longer conflicts with the modernist understanding of the "facts.” Fosdick provided a way to simultaneously hold to liberal assumptions and still have a version of the Christian religion. Norman Vincent Peale, whom Fosdick knew and admired,30 carried on a similar version of liberalism geared for the mass media. Peale’s profound influence on Schuller is often attested by Dr. Schuller himself.

Robert Schuller has followed in the footsteps of Peale and Fosdick and provided a religious approach for those who normally would reject traditional Christian theology. He often has said (when asked about his version of church and Christianity) that he is a last stop for those for whom all other approaches have not worked. People will come to his church who have given up on church (or as he recently said on religion). Of course, the unspoken assumption is that the reason Biblical Christianity does not "work” for many, is that they refuse to believe its message. Schuller’s approach puts aside the message that is so undesirable to many modern religious consumers and replaces it with self-esteem and possibility thinking. This is squarely in the liberal tradition of having little to say about eternal judgment, the blood atonement, or the bodily resurrection of Christ, but having loads to say about how one can have a better life in this world.


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What is Gained?
If Robert Moats Miller was right that Fosdick’s liberal approach is the "only religious answer possible” for some, then Schuller and the his new legions of pastoral followers are the current providers of that answer. Others have noticed this. For example, David Wells writes:

His [Harry Emerson Fosdick’s] theology of the person was built on the ideas of the immanence of God in human personality and the perfectibility of human nature. He spoke enthusiastically of the unlimited inner potential that only had to be found and cultivated. . . . From Fosdick the ideas traveled to Norman Vincent Peale and then to Robert Schuller, and now they have become commonplace throughout much of the evangelical world.31
The reason that the modernist approach is deemed the last ditch, possible answer for those who flock to what are now called "seeker sensitive” churches, is that so many contemporary people refuse to accept the Biblical answers to their questions.

Human potential as understood in Schuller’s twin foundations of self-esteem and possibility thinking is an alternative to the cross, not an expression of it as Schuller’s theological legerdemain would make us think. The Biblical message of the cross speaks of human depravity, the wrath of God against sin, the need for substitutionary atonement and the bodily resurrection from the dead unto either eternal life or eternal damnation.:thumbup This is not a message of the unlimited potential of humans through positive thinking. "Seekers” as they are now mislabeled, are those who, according to Schuller himself, are not going to accept the two millennia old message of Biblical Christianity. But they will come to church under the right conditions.

This is what ties the modern seeker movement to historical liberalism. The goal is to get people to be "churched” even though the inspiration of Scripture and the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27) are set aside. The Bible only "contains” the word of God and the preacher is at liberty to ignore any Scripture that does not fit his purpose of church growth and religious success. Dr. Schuller has adamantly rejected any idea that he is obligated to preach everything in the Bible. Does he believe in a literal hell? This is very difficult to determine because one never hears him preach about it. At least Fosdick came out in public with all his beliefs and stood by them. Schuller is more of a politician, keeping a smile and a handshake always ready while skirting controversial questions. Schuller’s approach to his modernism has done what Fosdick’s could never do: brought evangelicals and liberals together.

The liberals of the 1920’s never thought of Schuller’s brilliant move. Rather than deny any Biblical doctrines and thus rile the ranks of the traditionalists and believers in Biblical inerrancy, let the doctrines die the death of neglect. Keep the congregation so enamored with brilliant homilies on "Five Ways to Deal with Stress in the Workplace” and "Nine Ways to Envision a Brighter Future” and they will never think about such matters as the wrath of God, eternal judgment, atonement, or heaven and hell. :yikes Does anyone seem to care whether Dr. Schuller and his hordes of evangelical copy cats really believe any of these doctrines? For decades liberals have claimed that most New Testament doctrines are irrelevant. Judging by how many modern evangelicals go to churches where doctrine is considered passé, contemporary evangelicals must have decided the liberals were right.

Conclusion
The greatest problem with all of this is that we have radically changed the key categories in the minds of the contemporary evangelical church. For example, previous generations of evangelicals thought the key categories were "saved and lost.” Now they are "churched and unchurched.” When I came to Christ in Iowa in 1971, nearly everyone in our community was "churched.” At that time Bible believing Christians understood there to be two categories of people, the saved and the lost. Whether or not one was in church was immaterial. I grew up in a church that gave lip service to the facts of Christianity, but was told by a pastor when I was 16 years old that these were in fact false. There was no creation of the world out of nothing, no miracles, no virgin birth, and no bodily resurrection from the dead. Christianity and the Bible were there to help us live a better life. Not realizing what the categories were, I found myself in the middle of modernism and liberalism. My response was to exit the church immediately. Being "churched,” in my mind was quite worthless if none of the things churches supposedly existed to promote were true.

So as a new Christian four years later, I realized that the problem was that we had churches full of lost people who would go to hell if they did not hear the gospel, believe and repent. Nothing could be clearer. Many churches were pastored by individuals who were themselves unregenerate. That is the legacy that the fundamentalist/modernist battle had left. As Fosdick pointed out, the modernists stayed in most of the churches and controlled the seminaries. They won the battle in most old line denominations. Consequently, when people like I was in 1971 came to Christ, we never considered going back to those denominations. We were hungry for God’s word and wanted to be challenged week by week to grow into conformity to Christ’s purposes.

Thus it is with great alarm and sorrow that I write this article. Masses of churches and denominations who once were proud to have left the modernists behind and went out on their own to promote Biblical orthodoxy have now either wittingly or unwittingly joined the modernists. The categories that I now hear, not occasionally, but constantly in evangelical circles, are "churched and unchurched.” Evidently it is assumed that since we call ourselves "evangelical” (like Schuller) we have something to offer. If people are in our churches they are imagined to be better off than if they are not, regardless of whether or not they are being confronted with God’s word and His holy claims on their lives. This assumption is false. As in my personal experience, unregenerates are often further from the gospel when they are "churched” but not hearing God’s word than when they are "unchurched.” At least in the later condition they know they are not Christian. False assurance is worse than no assurance. "Seekers” are really unsaved sinners who may never find out they are unsaved sinners because they are becoming so adept at dealing with stress in the workplace through the help of the savvy, therapeutically oriented pastor. When life seems to be getting better with a little help from the church, who needs to concern oneself with heaven and hell, especially if one is never told they exist.

We must return to the only means that God has ordained for bringing salvation to the lost. It is outlined in the verses cited at the beginning of the article. It is the message of the cross: "[B]ut we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.” (1Corinthians 1:23,24).
http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue56.htm

[Biblenuggetlady]

Robert Schuller derailed even before the "emergent/ing" church came along, I often wonder if his "ministry" is what helped opened the door to these new movements we see today. :(

Keep the church in prayer.

[Leialoha]

Robert Shuller is an obvious one. It's the youth group at the church down the street that is often missed.

Parents, please please teach your kids the importance of the proper way to read scripture. Please raise them up to understand that God is authority and we don't come to Him willy nilly or craft our own idea of who we think He is.

"What does this scripture passage mean to you....?"

"Let's practice the ancient/future sacred words that our monk brother shared with us during Candle Revelations and Mystic Musings time!"

"Thanks for sharing Stacy! How interesting that the story of Noah means to you that animals are just as sacred as people and that the rainbow represents our mission to save the ozone layer. Thanks for sharing your truth with us...."

AAACk!!!!!!

[Buzzardhut]

I sure wouldn't want to be held responsible and accountable for deceiving thousands to millions of people with the Emergent deceptions.

:wolf