PirateChris
September 5th, 2007, 06:39 PM
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Now sometimes this installs very much fear in me, because when I was younger all I did was merely say the sinner's prayer, having no understanding against the law I transgressed and the punishment for it. Thank God I listened to Ray Comforts Hell's best kept secret, and true false conversion.
Regardless here is my friends viewpoint on the scripture.
"As is often the case, the Greek is more descriptive and more strict in its meaning than in English. The word translated "fall away" is only used here and nowhere else in the New Testament. It means “apostatize from,” and implies an entire renunciation of Christianity, or a going back to a state of Judaism, paganism, or sin.
Now lets stop. Is anything impossible with God?? Surely not... so what does this mean, "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened." How can it therefore be impossible? Well, it must not be speaking of God. Who then?
The text was written to the church. If we have a believer (this was book was written to the converted Jews) and he turns from Christianity after having received of the Lord all divine Truth and experienced the Holy Spirit as a testimony within himself, back to Judaism, he has given his assent that Christ should have been crucified (seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh). He has agreed that the Truth within Christianity is false, so there remains no other options for the redemption of this person. This apostasy is a true turn of heart and requires hardening of ones heart in the direct face of the Holy Spirit. It isn't impossible for God, but God has already given them all he has and they have trampled it underfoot. So who is it impossible for? Themselves. It is impossible to renew them to repentance, for they have agreed within themselves that Christianity is false."
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Now sometimes this installs very much fear in me, because when I was younger all I did was merely say the sinner's prayer, having no understanding against the law I transgressed and the punishment for it. Thank God I listened to Ray Comforts Hell's best kept secret, and true false conversion.
Regardless here is my friends viewpoint on the scripture.
"As is often the case, the Greek is more descriptive and more strict in its meaning than in English. The word translated "fall away" is only used here and nowhere else in the New Testament. It means “apostatize from,” and implies an entire renunciation of Christianity, or a going back to a state of Judaism, paganism, or sin.
Now lets stop. Is anything impossible with God?? Surely not... so what does this mean, "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened." How can it therefore be impossible? Well, it must not be speaking of God. Who then?
The text was written to the church. If we have a believer (this was book was written to the converted Jews) and he turns from Christianity after having received of the Lord all divine Truth and experienced the Holy Spirit as a testimony within himself, back to Judaism, he has given his assent that Christ should have been crucified (seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh). He has agreed that the Truth within Christianity is false, so there remains no other options for the redemption of this person. This apostasy is a true turn of heart and requires hardening of ones heart in the direct face of the Holy Spirit. It isn't impossible for God, but God has already given them all he has and they have trampled it underfoot. So who is it impossible for? Themselves. It is impossible to renew them to repentance, for they have agreed within themselves that Christianity is false."