Matthew 24 - The Kingdom of Heaven/God

[OnceWasLost]

Mmmm, but that doesn't explain why it's the opposite way round.

It says 'as in the days of Noah' so it should be the same.

Taken in either case is meaning removed before wrath came upon the unrepentant.

There were those who perished because of unbelief. Those spared read that "taken" we saved before wrath came.

[RefinedbyFire]

For a very long time I believed Matthew to speak of the time leading up to the rapture.

The one left in the field and the one taken sounded so much like the rapture of the saints, however, with study and help from fellow believers I came to the realization that this is most definitely related to the second coming. The one taken is the non-believer who is taken away for judgement and the one remaining in the field is the trib saint that shall remain and continue into the millenial reign.

You are correct the world will be in a disastrous state, however there will be portions of the world outwith the conflict zones that will carry on pretty much as normal. So to them they will be eating, drinking, marrying etc.

I've been told that to. At first glance, the verses sound like a snatching away, like a sudden Rapture event. But, I've been shown that with a careful study of Scripture, the Bible shows the wicked will be removed from the earth at the Second Coming. I'm not sure on that subject...

[Alhere]

I am with you Castle. The Lord paused his discourse to bring in the parable of the fig tree which in "context" refers to the rebirth of Israel in 1948 which as we know is in the church age. So to woodenly think that everything is only about the 7 year trib and nothing about the time leading up to the 7 year trib is taking it out of context imo.

Also I don't trust any teacher who starts his discourse on Matthew 24 with "Now don't get mixed up here and put the church in Matthew 24 because it's all about Israel". That is a red flag for me.

I also don't trust any teacher who would compromise the book of Genesis with some fantasy theories like the "gap" theory built on a couple of verses and torturing a few word definitions.

:preach

[Jesus's Girl]

I watched Chuck Missler tonight on his website khouse.org and he said some things I didn't really understand. He was talking about the Olivet Discourse and the differences between Matthew 24 and Luke 21. He said that Matthew 24 talks about the signs and what happens after; in Luke 21 he said Jesus speaks about the signs and what has to happen before. He spoke of the Abomination of Desolation and that the one mentioned in Luke is a different abomination of desolation. He said there are two abominations of desolations. The first happened in 167 BC, I think he said. The next one is certainly the Antichrist sitting in the Holy of Holies. This show was entitled This Generation. I am discouraged because he made is sound like Israel is NOT the fig tree because of what Luke says, "fig tree and all the trees". :idunno My thinking was that Israel is the fig tree and that this generation that witnessed the rebirth of Israel, when the world ackowledged them as a nation in 1948, that this was the generation that will witness "all these things", which include the 2nd Coming of Christ. He then discussed that people thought a generation was 40 years, when in Psalm 90 somewhere, David explains the lifespan of a man, which is 70 years and if by blessing, 80 years. Am I wrong? I want Jesus to come for me and all the Bride so much that I can't stop thinking of the Rapture. I hope and long for it, just as I was longing to have my son when I was in labor. The feeling and excitement is the same. I need some ecouragement that the Rapture is close. Chuck Missler did say that the point of the Rapture is to take the devil by surprise, which it will. I am just so confused. I even called my grandma who really admires Joel Rosenberg and is into Bible prophecy, and she didn't really encourage me at all. She just said for me to occupy, which Jesus did tell us to do. Hal Lindsey said he truly believes he will see the Rapture and he's 80 years old! I need you guys... I'm so discouraged.... :crying
Here's the Link to Chuck Missler's 66/40. I watch all of them and I just don't get it.
http://www.khouse.org/6640/BP113-1/

[ar550n1c]

Don't be discouraged. I truly believe that it is so close we really can almost hear the footsteps of the messiah. I really don't know when. It could be tonight. It could be tomorrow... Or it really could be further than we know... But one thing is for sure. All the sings are really here. What else is missing?

EU now has a President
Peace negotiations like never before "Peace and Safety" - This one is being pushed hard by the EU
Jerusalem the Cup of Trembling for the nations
the push Global Currency
Temple preparations
Technology that "could" eventually lead to the mark of the beast.
Military ties with Russia and Iran

These are just very few

And I really could go on and on and on... Plus I would miss that much more, and then others would add more and this thread would seem to go on and on and on. :)

I really believe it's so soon! But that is just how I feel.

Ill have to listen to chuck cuz I am curious.

Keep your head up!

[acceptedintheBeloved]

Here is a brief writing by Jack Kelley about the differences between Luke 21 and Matthew 24 (I can't seem to find the longer article on the same topic... it was more thorough).

Hope this helps a little. :hat Be sure to search his site... maybe you can find the one I'm referring to:

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/differences-between-matt-24-mark-13-and-luke-21/

By the way, I think it will be soon, too! :yeah

[Jesus's Girl]

Is the fig tree Israel? From my understanding, Israel is the fig tree and the recapture of Jerusalem in 1967 was a blooming point. The generation witnessing the rebirth of Israel was the generation that will witness all these things and will not pass away. Correct?

[I Believe!!!]

Is the fig tree Israel?

Jesus's Girl, from all that I've read on here it's been concluded that the fig tree is symbolic of Israel. However, that is neither here nor there as far as you are concerned because you are Jesus's girl just as your avatar says and He'll take good care of you. Don't worry. :hug

[Jesus's Girl]

Here is a brief writing by Jack Kelley about the differences between Luke 21 and Matthew 24 (I can't seem to find the longer article on the same topic... it was more thorough).

Hope this helps a little. :hat Be sure to search his site... maybe you can find the one I'm referring to:

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/differences-between-matt-24-mark-13-and-luke-21/

By the way, I think it will be soon, too! :yeah

I didn't agree with some of his stuff because he mentioned that the Rapture isn't mentioned at all in Matthew 24 when it is. The word "rapture" isn't: Read Matthew 24:40-42.

[Jesus's Girl]

Jesus's Girl, from all that I've read on here it's been concluded that the fig tree is symbolic of Israel. However, that is neither here nor there as far as you are concerned because you are Jesus's girl just as your avatar says and He'll take good care of you. Don't worry. :hug

Thank you. Why is there so much disagreement on this subject? It makes so much sense that it would be Israel. I just want Jesus to come back soooo bad. It's getting hard to be patient. You guys on here are the only ones I truly know who long like I do. Thank you! Is there anywhere in the Bible where God wants us to understand that Israel is the fig tree? Sorry to stress the point, but I got so excited thinking that Israel is the Fig tree and all the blooming that has been taking place, the signs that have been happening, or the birth pains, etc. I want my Jesus!!