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Buzzardhut
September 14th, 2007, 03:41 PM
This Mary demon is really getting pushy!

ATYCLB
September 14th, 2007, 05:56 PM
But, doesn't the article say that the Church HAS condemned this stuff?

They haven't actually condemned the Lady of All Nations apparitions, which Theresa
was referring to (the quotes).

I think the troubling aspect of this is that this behavior and these teachings were tolerated
by the RCC since the seventies with nothing really being done about it.

It was only after the ordination of the six priests three months ago that the RCC finally acted.

seashell
September 14th, 2007, 09:49 PM
The Church never approved this apparation. They were probably watching it. I can tell you right now that this is a false vision because of what she says.

"I am the Lady, Mary, Mother of All Nations. You may say: The Lady of All Nations or Mother of All Nations, who once was Mary. I come on this very day to tell you that this is who I wish to be. The people of all countries shall truly be one."
February 11, 1951

Look at the above/ it is similar to Medjugorie which is also not appproved. Now look at Fatima which is approved and I will tell you the difference.

We then looked up at Our Lady, who said to us so kindly and so sadly:

“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world”.(7)


In the 1st message Mary is talking about herself and it's all about her. Never once did she mention God and this is because Satan refuses to give God any credit or power because he wants it.

ATYCLB
September 14th, 2007, 11:10 PM
The Church never approved this apparation.

According to this website, which Catholics have directed me to in the past for
verification of apparition approval, it is approved:

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary//resources/aprtable.html

As a matter of fact, seashell, you also gave me this link yourself a little over two
years ago for verification on apparitions we were discussing.

You told me then that it was an approved site run by an RCC sponsored library
(The Marian Library/International Marian Research Institute).


Now look at Fatima which is approved and I will tell you the difference.

An apparition of Jesus also appeared at Fatima.

"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not."
Matthew 24:23

ATYCLB
September 14th, 2007, 11:37 PM
Now look at Fatima which is approved and I will tell you the difference.

In the 1st message Mary is talking about herself and it's all about her.

Fatima, like the Lady of All Nations and Medugorie and all the rest, is still all about Mary:


To save them [poor sinners who are on the road to hell], God wishes to establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.

To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart

In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph.


My, my, my . . . me, me, me . . .

The focus is always on her.

Doxiemom
September 14th, 2007, 11:58 PM
Dear Seashell


When I read all the old prophets; read Jesu's own words; read the Book of the Revalation of Jesus Christ to John; it is clear that all these things MUST come to past. "Mary" is telling the world that there is an alternative.

Jesus gave us the Great Commission to spread the Good News that it is Jesus Christ Who is the Savior. We are to follow Him. His yoke is easy and the burden is light. He told us how to pray, Who to pray to. And gave us the Comfortor so that we would never be alone. Never once did He say, look to my mother to give you wisdom. Never once did He say " I will bestow upon my mother power."

This sounds very hard and cruel to say this but the "Mary" that people saw/see - and I accept that they saw/see a someone- is not from Heaven. Hundreds of thousands are being deceived by a master of lies. Through this deception Lucifer and his fallen angels are putting greater and greater distance between you and Jesus. And the Truth that was foretold.

Bring the World of Jesus Christ to the lost. And they can be saved. There will be horrific wars. There will be terrible plagues. The earth itself will be in chaos and ruined. It will happen . "Mary" is not able to stop it. This "mary" is no one else but Satan, the mighty angel of light and the more souls he lies to and they chooose to believe him/"Mary" the more he brings to hell. The only saving he is doing is saving them from Heaven.

Please/ please please/ re-read the old prophets, the Olivet Discorse and Revalation with a new set of eyes. Let it sink in that these are the warnings given for you personally. It is not symbollic, it all didn't already happen, the woman with child isn't the catholic church or Mary- it is Israel. Everything is about Israel.

The Mary visions are an evil lie. I am so sorry to have to say this. I do not doubt your Chrsitianity. You appear to be a sincere faithful person.
Dox

ATYCLB
September 15th, 2007, 12:06 AM
Very nice, Dox. :)

Buzzardhut
September 15th, 2007, 12:32 AM
According to this website, which Catholics have directed me to in the past for
verification of apparition approval, it is approved:

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary//resources/aprtable.html

As a matter of fact, seashell, you also gave me this link yourself a little over two
years ago for verification on apparitions we were discussing.

You told me then that it was an approved site run by an RCC sponsored library
(The Marian Library/International Marian Research Institute).
:shocked

Doxiemom
September 15th, 2007, 12:53 AM
Why, thank you .

seashell
September 16th, 2007, 12:26 AM
According to this website, which Catholics have directed me to in the past for
verification of apparition approval, it is approved:

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary//resources/aprtable.html

As a matter of fact, seashell, you also gave me this link yourself a little over two
years ago for verification on apparitions we were discussing.

You told me then that it was an approved site run by an RCC sponsored library
(The Marian Library/International Marian Research Institute).




An apparition of Jesus also appeared at Fatima.

"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not."
Matthew 24:23

I don't remember giving you that sight and it does not say that the Catholic Church approves it. It says the local church; which means not the Vatican.

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary//resources/aprtable.html

) Approval of faith expression means that the local authorities have encouraged or at least tolerated the various manifestations of faith (prayers, mass, penance, conversions) occurring in conjunction with the alleged apparition. When explicitly approved, and known to us, the column bears the word "yes". The space remains blank when there was no answer available to us.

This Catholic site. The Lady of all Nations is not on the list.

http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/apparitions.html


Also, I have never said that Mary can save anyone; only Jesus can. He can work through any of us including his mother and the first time she intervened for anyone was at the Wedding in Cana when Jesus said his time has not came yet. What did Mary say? She told the men to fill the water jugs anyway. (Jesus does what his mother asks)


Also, you can look at Luke- Which the Holy Spirit is talking through Simeon and says a sword will pierce Mary's heart as well and many thoughts will be revealed. It is directly talking about her suffering and losing her son in a most awful way.

2:25And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 2:26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 2:27And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 2:28Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 2:29Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 2:30For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 2:31Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 2:32A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. 2:33And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him. 2:34And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 2:35(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.