Adam and Eve

[Octopus]

.as seen from Gen Ch1: 26-27-->

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Compare....thereafter Gen 2:3

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Then...Gen 2:18-20 And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.



I can't help but to interpret it that before Eve there was another being created?

Please advise

Thank you

:wave:wave

[TomT]

No - you just have to understand that in the Old Testament that there are many instances where the person recording events (thru the leading of the Holy Spirit) - in this instance Moses - often make a generalized statement - ie. male and female created...

....and then proceeds in subsequent verses (or the next chapter) to go back and elaborate in detail on the same events that have already be "generally" announced or described...

I don't personally recall the Jewish term for this, however if one studies the OT from a Jewish teaching perspective they make repeated note of these instances all thru the Torah

[Octopus]

No - you just have to understand that in the Old Testament that there are many instances where the person recording events (thru the Holy Spirit) - in this instance Moses - often make a generalized statement - ie. male and female created...

....and then proceeds in subsequent verses to go back and elaborate in detail on the same events that have already be "generally" announced or described...

I don't personally recall the Jewish term for this, however if one studies the OT from a Jewish teaching perspective they make repeated note of these instances all thru the Torah

I see. :) Thank you for the advice :wave:wave:thumb

Regards

[BrckBrln]

Isn't there a Jewish tradition or some legend that a person named Lilith was Adam's first wife? And she was like all evil and stuff. :idunno

[Hootmon]

No - you just have to understand that in the Old Testament that there are many instances where the person recording events (thru the leading of the Holy Spirit) - in this instance Moses - often make a generalized statement - ie. male and female created...

....and then proceeds in subsequent verses (or the next chapter) to go back and elaborate in detail on the same events that have already be "generally" announced or described...

I don't personally recall the Jewish term for this, however if one studies the OT from a Jewish teaching perspective they make repeated note of these instances all thru the TorahYeah. The literary style used tends to occasionally group together items of the same subject at the expense of the timeline.

So on the subject of 'creatures', they were all ennumerated together...

[TomT]

Isn't there a Jewish tradition or some legend that a person named Lilith was Adam's first wife? And she was like all evil and stuff. :idunno

That is a Rabbinical legend taught by some Jews - although not all by any means....

Never the less the explaination I posted above regarding the common OT practice of making an all encompassing statment of fact, followed by greater story detail explains the circumstance of inquiry - rather than some obtuse reference to a first wife ahead of Eve

[Hootmon]

Isn't there a Jewish tradition or some legend that a person named Lilith was Adam's first wife? And she was like all evil and stuff. :idunno
The wild beasts of the desert6728 shall also meet6298 with854 the wild beasts of the island,338 and the satyr8163 shall cry7121 to5921 his fellow;7453 the screech owl3917 also389 shall rest7280 there,8033 and find4672 for herself a place of rest.4494
(Isa 34:14)
H3917
לילית
lîylîyth
BDB Definition:
1) “Lilith”, name of a female goddess known as a night demon who haunts the desolate places of Edom
1a) might be a nocturnal animal that inhabits desolate places
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H3915
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1112
1112 - lilit

Hebrew Word: lilit
Strong's Cross Reference: 3917
Definition: Lilith.

A female goddess known as a night demon who haunts the desolate places of Edom (Isa_34:14). The ruin of Edom is so complete that only wildcats, satyrs, and Lilith will stay there.

In late rabbinic literature, she is depicted as a creature with wings and long, flowing hair. No doubt she personifies the night or sunset.

In Ugaritic literature she receives sacrifices (UT 23:7) and is invoked in a hymn (UT 104) which calls her "the veiled bride" (klt. mk[ktmt]) and "our lady" (bltn). The former epithet she shares with the Babylonian goddess Ishtar.

Actually, these night spirits are to be correlated with the male Lilis. This masculine form covers both male and female genders, as explicitly stated in one of the many references contained in the Aramaic Magical Bowls (see Cyrus H. Gordon, Archiv, Orientali, 6:322). She appears as La-le in Linear A and as lly in a Phoenician incantation from Arslan Tash. Isaiah in his reference does not encourage worship or respect for this demonic deity. The name may be used symbolically to depict a desolation. (Cf. KJV "screech owl.")

Is it not possible also that what was a night demon in the pagan culture was just a night creature (SO Niv), perhaps a bat or owl, in Israel-? The pagan with his animism fills realities with spirits. Cf. Hebrew reshep "pestilence" with Ugaritic shp the "god of pestilence" and Hebrew yam "sea" with Ugaritic the "god who is Prince Sea." So lilit might have been a real creature demonized in the surrounding culture.

Bibliography: Leuillet, Rend and Xavier Leon-Dufour, "Night," in DBT, pp. 346-47. For a picture of Lilith, see Henry Frankfort, Art and Architecture of the Ancient Orient, 1958, pl. 56, p. 56. W.C.K.

[TomT]

In Hebrew Eve's name is "Ishshah" and is used thru-out the OT (about 425 times) to refer to a woman, or wife

She shall be called 'woman' ('ishshah) for she was taken out of man ('ish)."

[Octopus]

Hi all,


Thank you for all the useful and informative posts:) I enjoy learning a lot from this board.

Thank you

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