ONE World Government

[tom_roberts]

Are we in denial and do not want to see what is coming?

or are we still years off from a world government?


All the conditions have been met, the Rapture could
occur at any moment:idunno

Now i am not dogmatic in my rapture view as i consider it neither an
Essential Christian doctrine ,nor is it a salvation issue

But if your guys are right, AND I PRAY you are,

Then a world government Must be close or even here
just not finished yet right?

Scripture tells us its evil in high places we fight
with the power of darkness.

That be not governments, but evil men who take control of them and pervert
them IMO.

Is it not logical to conclude that if we are as your guys say-

''we are strapped in'' then Satan and his minions have pretty much finished
their take over of the worlds governments:idunno

Is this all just paranoia on my part kicking in ?

I spent a few hours on a secular board, i witness there as much as possible but to be honest its like putting your finger in the crack on a dike:pray

Anyway the conspiracy community , or at least these guys on this unnamed board are becoming insane, not all of them but this thread had 6 pages!!
and a lot of people just will not listen. But then with the possibility
of satanic manipulation who knows:idunno

IMO its an ever spiraling downward mind game they get one to play with this
until the mind IMHO dismisses it all as nonsense, tires or just gives up
questions everything untill it gets tired and questions nothing.




Anyway

They are now debating the second plane that hit the towers

was a missile and when you tell them the whole world saw a jet.

They will tell you the government is using holograms

I know, sounds nuts.

Holograms crazy right?

What the lost call holograms we might call satanic deception

i never for an instant considered a missile and i do not now.

But If we are strapped in
And if the rapture could happen any time
And if as I interpret Scripture to saying bout a world government is correct
And if the governments of the world are in cahoots with Satan than who knows what holograms/satanic deception he is doing now?

Than why is Alex Jones so crazy to some folks?

And why does he make some unsubstantiated claims as some claim?


Did they set him up as a shill to make us think that anyone who
considers such notions is a--- well Alex Jones

If so why is he not getting sued:scratch


Why do many Christians find a NWO and a NAU to be nut job talk?

and if we are close than Satan and Satanic men and organizations
are running earth , maybe not all of them yet, maybe:idunno

only God knows, and i am not saying all men in Government are evil

just that Evil controls governments and good men can make no difference now

and that the men at the top are EVIL, and worship Satan at the end times as i read scripture


why do some Christians find this crazy, and disgusting, unpatriotic, liberal,
to consider?


IMO we are still years away, but the board is set
the pieces are all lined up, so there should be precursors right?

if i am correct and its years not months then maybe a few pieces need to be put into play

but if it happens in months

then it must be here , i can see no other options

http://www.renewamerica.us/news/050524cronkite2.htm

[Stevangelist]

I believe many Christians are in denial as to how far along New World Order already is. Many Christians have been so brainwashed by the media they can’t even comprehend the New World Order when it is right in front of their eyes. Many other Christians don’t want to admit to themselves and other people that the media has been feeding them lies throughout their whole life because admitting this would hurt their pride. Other Christians would much rather pretend the end-times aren’t happening.

God is in control. We can’t stop the New World Order from happening.

[Larry]

I've been looking into the NWO for many years. But, even after all that, I'm STILL finding out things that are truly mind boggling. We must remember that satan has been planning this since the Garden of Eden. That's 6000 years, and he has LOTS of helpers.

He has men and women positioned in all the highest forms of governments throughout the world. He has Corporate leadership covered as well. He controls those who own the Media outlets worldwide. Fox News a few years back had a slogan, it didn't last very long(they got some heat over it evidently) but they would say, "Fox News, all the news you NEED to know" Pretty telling statement I'd say.

As far as 911, the biggest 'conspiracy theory' is the one that was given to us mere minutes after it happened. They had all the pictures of all the guys on the screen the same day. They had OBL's picture up right away. ALL the news stations were showing and saying the exact same things at the same times.

I don't believe anyone knows even half of what really happened that day, but we can know what didn't happen by using the laws of physics and plain old common sense. There are many out there making silly claims like the the 'no planers' that are just there to discredit anyone who is truly seeking the truth.

I do notice that most Christians, while having the Bible as their 'truth' guide, will dismiss ANY and ALL conspiracy theories' out of hand without even looking into them. Psalm 2:2 tells us that these things happen, king's and rulers WILL conspire against God's people. It is happening.

Then you have the other side. Most atheists will believe the CT's,(government is not our friend) but not in God.:scratch If we could ever get those two groups to come a little closer together.:nod

God is allowing satan just enough rope to hang himself. I do believe he's getting close to the end. I listened to a guy today on a radio interview who lived in NY on 911. He was working in a building just 2 blocks away from the towers and heard and felt both come down. In the following weeks and months, he talked to quite a few people that were at ground zero, and came to the conclusion that the 'official story' was nothing more than a lie and couldn't possibly happened the way they said it did.

He did much research and became more and more convinced that that was indeed true. We were lied to.

I said all that to say this.

He was at work one day and a lady came up to him and asked what he thought really happened that day.

He in turn asked her "do you REALLY want to know?"

She said, "well, if it's going to depress me, NO"

I believe that is in a nutshell what is/has been happening in America. We've gotten so used to having everything, and even believing we DESERVE it, that we are not willing to think it will all come to an end soon. We are not willing to search out the truth, for then we will be accountable for it, and even be required to act on it. That will put us out of our comfort zone.

Anyone know where my 'Foxes Book of Martyrs is'?

I guess we might as well tear down all those tornado sirens in all our cities then, because if we need to use them, the people might get depressed, knowing that they may loose everything.

I heard another guy, speaking of being Patriotic, rather than looking for truth say, "I'm an American because my Mom and Dad had sex here" It sounds rather crude, but it's oh so true. If we had been born in Iraq, we'd be patriotic to Iraq.

So, it's NOT about being anti-American or anything like that. It's about being a creation of God, in search of truth, no matter where it leads or who it implicates.

So how much more should we, as 'creations of God' AND 'Children of God' by becoming born-again, search out the truth?

We should be THE MOST informed and truth seeking group on the planet. Not just swallower's of the MSM dribble. They always say you can't believe anything you read on the internet, I say you can't believe anything you see on the tube.

There are REAL people like you and me here on the internet, we don't know anything about the talking heads on the tube. REAL LIFE happens on our level, not their's. Most of them have never had a real job.

Use this great tool to search out the truth. You have to 'chew the meat and spit out the bones', but it's out there. I believe we will see another attack here very soon, don't buy everything hook, line and sinker right off the bat. SIFT everything. You will see who the real terrorists are.

The NWO IS coming to a city near you. Evangelize like nobody's business, for the day is coming when no man can work.

Maranatha.

YBIC,

Larry

[antitox]

We've gotten so used to having everything, and even believing we DESERVE it, that we are not willing to think it will all come to an end soon.

Bingo!
We are spoiled, and we don't want to have to endure the loss of anything, or even the thought of it. There you have the whole mentailty of "Peace and safety, peace and safety" that the bible mentions. Larry, you nailed it.

We are not willing to search out the truth, for then we will be accountable for it, and even be required to act on it. That will put us out of our comfort zone.(my bold)

This statement is what lies behind the first quote. Plain and accurate.
We really don't want to face up to accountability or the idea of paying any kind of price to live in the times that we find ourselves. We are here in this era, regardless of whether we are comfortable with it or not.

Personally, I'm very concerned right now. I see the USA becoming weaker and weaker in its resolve across the board, whether it be Iraq, or immigration, education, - just weakening in the face of evil (or even moral challenges) . I fear we will lose what we have very soon. It's disturbing, but I know that it has to happen, because that's what is reshaping in the public minds, so they will be conditioned for the next step to a new world order. All you have to do is look at the foundations, and that begins with the public mindset. It's the battle for the mind first, then the soul. And that has taken root, because we don't want life to change on us; we want to be comfortable, and we will trade out our resolve for it.

[StarryEyedLad]

Looks like we're all on the same page so far. :nod

I believe that is in a nutshell what is/has been happening in America. We've gotten so used to having everything, and even believing we DESERVE it, that we are not willing to think it will all come to an end soon. We are not willing to search out the truth, for then we will be accountable for it, and even be required to act on it. That will put us out of our comfort zone.


Americans feel that since our country was founded as a Christian one, on the principals of freedom of religion and "One Nation Under God" that we have somehow earned the approval, blessings, protection, and grace of God. The only nation I know of with that status is Israel. We were not promised anything, even when we were defending Israel and its right to exist. It does seem like we are facing many more dangers now that our government is backing the giving away of Israeli territory to their enemies, who will not be satisfied with "some" of the land. They want it all, and they want Israel and the Jews wiped from the face of the Earth.

To say this country was founded as a Christian one is not STRICTLY true. From the very beginning, the Founding Fathers deliberately kept religion, faith, etc. out of the government. Yes, we do use the motto "In God we trust", because many of them were Christians and so was the overwhelming majority of the population at the time. It was done mostly as a conciliatory gesture, I think. However, "god" can mean many things to many people. And Jesus is not mentioned at all in the same context.

The NWO IS coming to a city near you. Evangelize like nobody's business, for the day is coming when no man can work.


Unemployment is rising again. Those RFID chips are real. Don't want one in your ID? Fine, but you can't enter a courthouse or government building, so you can't have a government job, or appear for court; no welfare, unemployment, disability, social security, etc. With no ID you won't be legally allowed to drive, or open a bank account, get insurance, not even a library card! No check cashing place will take your paycheck without ID. Your work won't be able to keep you on, because you don't comply with federal law. You won't be able to get credit anywhere, or loans. You will be unable to live a normal life! Unable to buy or sell. :panic

[tom_roberts]

''even when we were defending Israel and its right to exist''

as i understand it even defending Israel could be a sin

if were are something she runs to for help instead of God
as it was explained to me

we in essence interfere with Gods plan for her, and could be racking up some not so Brownie points in theory anyways

especially these days , making her give up land
making her conform to our Plan

buttinski come to mind

[StarryEyedLad]

as i understand it even defending Israel could be a sin

if were are something she runs to for help instead of God
as it was explained to me

we in essence interfere with Gods plan for her, and could be racking up some not so Brownie points in theory anyways

especially these days , making her give up land
making her conform to our Plan

buttinski come to mind

There you go! :hat
Some very good points.
We have become so certain of our rightness here in America that to even entertain the possibility that we might be WRONG is unthinkable to most people.

[Lexie]

''even when we were defending Israel and its right to exist''

as i understand it even defending Israel could be a sin

if were are something she runs to for help instead of God
as it was explained to me

we in essence interfere with Gods plan for her, and could be racking up some not so Brownie points in theory anyways

especially these days , making her give up land
making her conform to our Plan

buttinski come to mind

Tom,

Is it a sin, to give billions in aid, to the Palestinians, too? It has never been a sin, to help Israel before, why now?

Forcing Jew's to give up land, for peace, is wrong. There are alot of political people, behind the scenes, forcing Israel into a false peace, like the UN World Council of Churches, amnesty international, are they sinning? Many groups, have been working on this, for along tim, here are just a few who connsider Israel, an apartheid nation.

Jay Gary Brian Mclaren
http://www.christianfutures.com/


http://www.sabeel.org/

Friends of al aqsa, Stephen Sizer, Tim King, Jay Gary
The preface by Riah Abu El-Assal, Bishop of Jerusalem, reminds us that ‘there is much more to see in the Holy Land than ancient archaeological sites.’, p. 5, urging visitors to meet Palestinians. ‘Holy Land’ tours’ often ignore Palestinians, but encouraging the oppressed is surely the only justification for such visits. Otherwise, communal boycotts and pickets of tourist bureaux offering ‘Holy Land’ tours, like the campaign against South African Apartheid, hitting the Zionist regime in the wallet, will better aid the suffering Palestinians. Once Palestine is free, this book, well worth the price, will be an invaluable tour guide.



http://www.aqsa.org.uk/page_detail.aspx?id=103

[StarryEyedLad]

Tom,

Is it a sin, to give billions in aid, to the Palestinians, too? It has never been a sin, to help Israel before, why now?

Forcing Jew's to give up land, for peace, is wrong. There are alot of political people, behind the scenes, forcing Israel into a false peace, like the UN World Council of Churches, amnesty international, are they sinning? Many groups, have been working on this, for along tim, here are just a few who connsider Israel, an apartheid nation.

Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Technically, all these people and organizations trying to make Israel give up the land God gave them are yes, going against the Will of God. It has to be that way to fulfill prophecy.

I think Tom only meant that by Israel leaning on the US for protection, rather than God: that act itself could be seen as being against God's Will, on the part of all the parties involved. Not that our helping is a sin per se, but when they lean on us rather than the Lord, who has given them His divine protection, that is not trusting Him, and a betrayal to His blessings. And now, trying to get them to give up land God granted them is surely displeasing to Him. That is why he said we may not be racking up any brownie points. That was how I took it.

I think sometimes we mix up helping Israel with helping the Israeli government, which is a different story.

Jay Gary Brian Mclaren
http://www.christianfutures.com/
http://www.sabeel.org/

As for Brian Mclaren, go read this thread:

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=13661
Hostile Sentiment Toward "End-Time" Believing Christians Increasing
excerpt from Faith Undone by Roger Oakland
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch....792&more=1&c=1

http://www.aqsa.org.uk/page_detail.aspx?id=103
Friends of al aqsa, Stephen Sizer, Tim King, Jay Gary
The preface by Riah Abu El-Assal, Bishop of Jerusalem, reminds us that ‘there is much more to see in the Holy Land than ancient archaeological sites.’, p. 5, urging visitors to meet Palestinians. ‘Holy Land’ tours’ often ignore Palestinians, but encouraging the oppressed is surely the only justification for such visits. Otherwise, communal boycotts and pickets of tourist bureaux offering ‘Holy Land’ tours, like the campaign against South African Apartheid, hitting the Zionist regime in the wallet, will better aid the suffering Palestinians. Once Palestine is free, this book, well worth the price, will be an invaluable tour guide.


Al-Aqsa is the mosque built over the site of the destroyed Jewish temples. Do you think God likes that?

Lexie, I hope I'm not misreading you. Do you consider Israel an apartheid nation yourself or are you only pointing out what others have to say? I apologize in advance. Sometimes in the black and white of words on the screen, intentions have a way of not coming through, where if you were talking to someone face-to-face, their intent is more readily apparent.

[Lexie]

Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Technically, all these people and organizations trying to make Israel give up the land God gave them are yes, going against the Will of God. It has to be that way to fulfill prophecy.

I think Tom only meant that by Israel leaning on the US for protection, rather than God: that act itself could be seen as being against God's Will, on the part of all the parties involved. Not that our helping is a sin per se, but when they lean on us rather than the Lord, who has given them His divine protection, that is not trusting Him, and a betrayal to His blessings. And now, trying to get them to give up land God granted them is surely displeasing to Him. That is why he said we may not be racking up any brownie points. That was how I took it.

I think sometimes we mix up helping Israel with helping the Israeli government, which is a different story.



As for Brian Mclaren, go read this thread:

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=13661
Hostile Sentiment Toward "End-Time" Believing Christians Increasing
excerpt from Faith Undone by Roger Oakland
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch....792&more=1&c=1


Al-Aqsa is the mosque built over the site of the destroyed Jewish temples. Do you think God likes that?

Lexie, I hope I'm not misreading you. Do you consider Israel an apartheid nation yourself or are you only pointing out what others have to say? I apologize in advance. Sometimes in the black and white of words on the screen, intentions have a way of not coming through, where if you were talking to someone face-to-face, their intent is more readily apparent.

Hi Starry,

I mente if we Zionists, might be sinning, for wanting to support Israel, wouldn't the Emergent Chruch, be sinning, for trying to create a utopia, for the Palestinians, on Israels land? Thank you for your help and links.

:hug