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Sing4Him
September 16th, 2007, 02:59 PM
Bob Coy Joins Contemplative Promoters Rick Warren and John Ortberg for Conference

Source: Lighthouse Trails

On November 13th and 14th at Saddleback Church in California Bob Coy, pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale will join Rick Warren and John Ortberg for the Exponential 07 conference. Both Warren and Ortberg are strong proponents of contemplative spirituality, and attendees should use caution and discernment.

While staff at Coy's Florida church have told Lighthouse Trails on various occasions that they do not promote contemplative spirituality or the emerging church, the walk-in bookstore at the church has been selling books by contemplative and/or emergent leaders and authors such as Rob Bell, David Crowder, and Liz Babbs.

Crowder, author of a contemplative promoting book called Praise Habit, also performed at the Fort Lauderdale church this past February.

An interview with Liz Babbs reveals her proclivities for eastern-style meditation.

Rob Bell's mystical affinities can be seen in his book Velvet Elvis for one, where he tells readers (often teens) to spend three months studying a book by New Ager and Buddhist sympathizer Ken Wilber (see Faith Undone for more information on Rob Bell's beliefs).

The Exponential 07 event describes itself in the following way:

Learn new and practical ways these diverse and dynamic leaders have shifted their congregations from just tipping God to experiencing the joy of giving.
Unfortunately, the experiences Rick Warren and John Ortberg offer followers (based on their spiritual affinities) could include the contemplative experience. Ortberg co-authored the Willow Creek Spiritual Formation curriculum with Ruth Haley Barton of the Tranforming Center, a place where Christian leaders are taught the dynamics of contemplative prayer. In Ortberg's book, God is Closer Than You Think, Ortberg quotes favorably from contemplatives such as Anne Lamott, Annie Dillard, Gary Thomas (Sacred Pathways), Brother Lawrence (who danced violently like a mad man when he practiced contemplative), interspiritualists Tilden Edwards (Shalem Institute), Thomas Kelly (believed a Divine Center was in all people), Jean Pierre de Caussade, Frederick Buechner, Meister Eckhart as well as Dallas Willard and Thomas Merton.

One of the other speakers at the Exponential 07 is Allen Hunt, senior pastor at Mt. Pisgah United Methodist Church, where the Walk to Emmaus is hosted.1 The Walk to Emmaus is a meditative experience/lesson created by Upper Room Ministries, a pro-contemplative/mystical organization that encourages all types of eastern-style meditation. According to the Walk to Emmaus website, it is "an adaptation of the Roman Catholic Cursillo Movement, which originated in Spain in 1949." 2 A women's group at Mt. Pisgah is focusing on contemplative prayer proponent Larry Crabb. In Crabb's book, The Papa Prayer he talks about the benefits of centering prayer.3

It may be best for Bible believing Christians to steer clear of the Exponential 07 conference at Saddleback Church this year. And we pray that those who do attend will not be exposed or introduced to the dangerous teachings of contemplative spirituality.

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/

billiefan2000
September 16th, 2007, 04:25 PM
2 Timothy 4:3

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;


And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Abba'sLil'Girl
September 18th, 2007, 02:00 AM
To be fair to Bob Coy, here's some info on him and what he believes.

http://www.activeword.org/pastor-bob.cfm

Thank you.

Grace and Peace to you.

Buzzardhut
September 18th, 2007, 04:40 AM
To be fair to Bob Coy, here's some info on him and what he believes.

http://www.activeword.org/pastor-bob.cfm

Thank you.

Grace and Peace to you.
Maybe out of love you can warn Bob to stay away from contemplative emergent teachings and eastern style meditations and to stop selling those types of heretical books in his book stores.

GrowUpDeep
September 18th, 2007, 06:34 AM
What ARE the teachings of contemplative spirituality? I've never heard of it. I hope Pastor Coy isn't involved in anything wrong... I really like him :ohno

GrowUpDeep
September 18th, 2007, 06:46 AM
Never mind. I went to the Lighthousetrails site that Buzzardhut provided and found plenty of information on it. I use to pray daily that God would protect me from deception... don't know why I quit doing that but think I'll remember too now! It's creepy how good things can SOUND when they are not good at all. I hope eyes will be opened to error.

Buzzardhut
September 18th, 2007, 06:53 AM
What ARE the teachings of contemplative spirituality? I've never heard of it. I hope Pastor Coy isn't involved in anything wrong... I really like him :ohno

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/newsletter072307.htm

There are several others churches that made the list that do not necessarily fall into the contemplative/emergent camp, but show indications that they may be heading that way. In our report last year, we concluded with a statement that still holds true this year:

Many of the 50 are part of and participate in the "new evangelicalism" that approaches Christianity from a business viewpoint with strong New Age affinities. If indeed this list by The Church Report is an accurate estimation of influential churches, it is a valid statement to say that [Christianity] is now in some very troubled waters, both in North America and around the world.

Lighthouse Trails believes that real godly influence should be attributed to the many unrecognized Christian pastors throughout the world who have stayed true to the Word of God and faithfully preached the gospel of Jesus Christ. These shepherds of the body of Christ do not compromise truth with church-growth, seeker-friendly, Purpose-Driven and mystical New Age practices. These are the pastors (and their churches who support them) who should be honored. They are the ones who will stand against the seducing spirits and doctrines of demons that will usher in that false "coming one" who opposes and hates Jesus Christ - the only name in which salvation lies.

Buzzardhut
September 18th, 2007, 07:04 AM
Never mind. I went to the Lighthousetrails site that Buzzardhut provided and found plenty of information on it. I use to pray daily that God would protect me from deception... don't know why I quit doing that but think I'll remember too now! It's creepy how good things can SOUND when they are not good at all. I hope eyes will be opened to error.
Pastors today have a greater responsibility, as shepherds, to love and guard their flock out of compassion, by keeping these New Age doctrines out of their churches.
It doesn't take that much love and discernment. :ohno

GrowUpDeep
September 18th, 2007, 07:10 AM
This is very disturbing to me. I of course, after reading about this movement can tell right off the bat that it's not right but most of us don't research every movement out there. If I were a member of Pastor Coy's church I would probably think that anything found in the book store would be appropriate. It should be a safe place. One should be able to trust their pastor.
We need to test everything!

Buzzardhut
September 18th, 2007, 07:22 AM
This is very disturbing to me. I of course, after reading about this movement can tell right off the bat that it's not right but most of us don't research every movement out there. If I were a member of Pastor Coy's church I would probably think that anything found in the book store would be appropriate. It should be a safe place. One should be able to trust their pastor.
We need to test everything!
I agree, a pastor needs to make his church a safe haven for his flock, it's one of the attributes of love for God's sheep and love for God's Truth.
A lot of the discerning members are probably already catching onto it but Rick Warren already has a plan in place for keeping them quiet.